Thanks for the info on that, I'm getting thick enough ice to get on the pond, so I'll put a camera down soon and see what is going on under the surface... Another question, how is the best way to deal with muskrats? They are starting to dig and burrow in the banks so much that they are really making the water murky. Now I have ice i'm not sure how to try and trap them... Any ideas of the best way to make them move on? Thanks J