Thanks Bob, I just watched a couple of video's you did on ponds. Very informative and entertaining also. I subscribed to Pond boss and ordered Just add water or perfect pond don't remember which. My pond will be about 4 acres and I plan to dig a ditch from the deep end to the shallow end 6' wide and 3 or 4 feet deeper than the bottom with stumps lining the edge and the root ball overhanging the edge. I also dug several holes that I put stumps around.. I think the soil here is a sandy loom and it seems to hold water pretty well. My dam got cut before I could finish the spillway so the water that remained was in the dug portion of the pond. I'm going to relocate the spillway this time so it goes over virgin ground instead of over the dam where the wet weather branch is located.