Canyon, I haven't found any LCS in quite some time. I took pics of the one I found dead and its on my thread. I stocked 7 larger ones in the 4" range and the one I found was pushing 6". I believe I stocked them in April and found the dead fish later that summer or early fall. I'm hopeful they are established, but have no way of knowing for sure.

Mitch I got numerous paper shell crayfish from smith creek in New York.

Think I'll hold of on the BG and give it some time. Sounds like by stocking them things will get fairly complicated. Not sure about adding HBG either as theres no benefit to adding forage for the predators with them, but on the other hand they would be fun to catch.