Don't see or catch a lot of either one. I do remove Bass in the 8-14" range when I catch them. Of the 25 Crappie I caught this past weekend I only put one back. Less than 9" the rest were 11" plus. And this is the most I've gotten into ever on me. All were caught on a white beetle spin 4 lb test. Even a 21 1/2" 5 lb plus Bass. (That was fun!!)

"If you aim at nothing you'll hit it every time"

Zig Ziglar