wow...this website is great! thanks a lot for your help. a couple of other questions, what website or online nursery would you recommend to purchase these plants? also, excuse my ignorance, but some of these plants to i have to shove them into the dirt under the water? how deep? and i've got some areas that are still not covered with water yet, these are the future shallow areas of 1-4 feet deep. does the area need to be covered with water, or can i plant these on dry ground etc?...told you i was clueless about what to plant!!! if i just knew where to purchase, i could get started. what about lilly pads? my lake sides are pretty steep in the deep ends...i tell you what, i'm gonna email you a few pics, and see what you think. i really appreciate your time. mark ilovefishingmark@yahoo.com