I have talked with Mike to get the diffence in the various organizations and he talks highly of all the different organization and the people running them. It was a very interesting discussion and I can understand what is keeping him involved with his own group. He is a dedicated person that is involved with helping all children, I do support his group and their endaverment (sp). He has a pond and I encouraged him to join as he desires information of which I do not give because of lacking sufficient knowledge. cheers