RobA, Nice job on the patina look..will file that one for our next house! The difference in construction techniques thru-out the country are amazing. You all have to bury pipe half way to China, whereas here in TX there is no frost line. We use construction workers from south of here, as there are no Amish that I know of.. and if we set posts like that on your barn in the ground, the termites would have them eaten off in 2 years.. It's fun seeing how folks from different areas build stuff!!