NE and others. There is a historical context about the GG threads here. Very acrimonious within and amongst the Forum members. Same with respect to Ken Holyoke and his business activities. We try very hard to stay fair and balanced about such matters. After much debate Bob and the Forum leaders decided to stick to the science. We requested data which was promised but not delivered. We did outside research and found little. Some experiments are ongoing with mixed results. While we all have our own thoughts about the fish , that does not excuse bad business tactics. Others have reported similar situations as that by Bruce. Those are egregious matters that Bruce reported and should be opened to the light of day. Everyone should deal with that outfit at your own risk. All - be careful in reporting about other people or their business principles or lack thereof on an open forum. Liable and slander are still actionable (you could get sued) but truth is an absolute defense.