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Coyote on Deer Opening Day
Shot Wiley Coyote Junior this morning with my Ruger 77/44.
"Live like you'll die tomorrow, but manage your grass like you'll live forever." -S. M. Stirling
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It's not about the fish. It's about the pond. Take care of the pond and the fish will be fine. PB subscriber since before it was in color.
Without a sense of urgency, Nothing ever gets done.
Boy, if I say "sic em", you'd better look for something to bite. Sam Shelley Rancher and Farmer Muleshoe Texas 1892-1985 RIP
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I leave the yotes alone these days because of all the deer diseases that seem to keep spreading everywhere. They help take out fawns and keep the population in check. They also take out the sick. I try to take my limit on does as well. Need a muzzleloader doe to tag out when the season opens this Saturday. Small bucks are the easiest to shoot and most of my neighbors are not picky about what they target, so taking my limit on does helps keep the buck to doe ratio better suited to improving the trophy prospects.
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Rah, We took three does this year from our place. That’s more than we’ve ever taken. Seems like we still have a lot. With only 62 acres most of our deer are only passing through, or visiting a food plot. What’s your idea of a proper buck to doe ratio? I’m a bit frustrated with myself for taking the buck I did this year. If I’d have waited a few more years, he’d have been something special. Maybe we need to take does only for a few years. Main problem with that is only 2 of 4 neighbors will do the same. The other two take anything legal. (4 points to one side)
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9 yr old pond, 1 ac, 15' deep. RES, YP, GS, FHM (no longer), HBG (going away), SMB, and HSB (only one seen in 5 yrs) Restocked HSB (2020) Have seen one of these. I think that's about all I should put in my little pond. Otter attack in 2023
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I try not to get upset over things that I cannot control. If I see a nice buck, especially if it is old, then I try and take it. Its hard to let young bucks with nice racks walk, but I someday hope to take a really big one so I now let them walk. My place is also too small to hold a buck all the time, but I continue to enhance the wildlife habitat so that the deer spend more time on my place. We are restricted to one buck in Indiana across all seasons, so the real issue for me is some neighbors inviting all their buddies over to hunt. If they restricted the whole bunch to one buck on each property, then it would be fine. One fellow calls himself a meat hunter, but there is plenty of good meat on a mature animal vs. a yearling. To each his own I guess. I just try to enjoy my place (and stay away from the borders on opening day of gun). With all the volleys of gun shots, I wish they would ban semiautomatic weapons so folks would take more care on that first shot. I understand a euthanasia shot to end an animals suffering, but rapid-fire volleys of 3, 4, and 5 shots seems irresponsible and dangerous to me. I have read that for encouraging trophies, 2 does per buck should be the target. You want the biggest bucks to do most of the breeding so you need to encourage competition. I do not ever expect to reach this goal but I can nudge things in that direction.
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Rah, We took three does this year from our place. That’s more than we’ve ever taken. Seems like we still have a lot. With only 62 acres most of our deer are only passing through, or visiting a food plot. What’s your idea of a proper buck to doe ratio? I’m a bit frustrated with ,YS elf for taking the buck I did this year. If I’d have waited a few more years, he’d have been something special. Maybe we need to take does only for a few years. Main problem with that is only 2 of 4 neighbors will do the same. The other two take anything legal. (4 points to one side) I hunt a place that is 80 acres and for a few years passed on great deer hoping that they'd become tremendous deer. Not one lived to be that size, they were all shot off the property either the year that I passed on them, or the next year. I had one that I passed in archery season because it had a broken tine, I ended up shooting it in ML season because someone shot it thru the left front knee with a .223 (during ML season). I heard that shot and thought "Oh good, someone is shooting coyotes". Nope. It came limping by not a half hour later. Like RAH said, don't worry about something that you can't control.
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Thanks guys. They changed the bow hunting regs here a few years ago. Cross bows are now ok during bow season. I think I’m going to try to get into that. I’ve got permanent vertigo and standing up in a ladder stand is not going to happen. So the cross bow might be my ticket. I’m thinking any legal buck would be good with a cross bow. Then just take a doe during gun season. We have/had at least six eight pointers coming fall. One 10 pointer, but he was a really small deer. My son in law and I had already decided to pass on him. Hopefully some of the 8 pointers survived, and will get bigger.
9 yr old pond, 1 ac, 15' deep. RES, YP, GS, FHM (no longer), HBG (going away), SMB, and HSB (only one seen in 5 yrs) Restocked HSB (2020) Have seen one of these. I think that's about all I should put in my little pond. Otter attack in 2023
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Hoping this guy hangs around another year
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Guess it’s the same all over…. If it’s brown it’s down….. ya have to let them walk for a couple years then to have a group of 4-1/2 yo that will replace itself year after year… ain’t nuttin but math
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Heard my first muzzleloader shot before shooting light on one of my neighbor's places; then another shot from the same general area 30 minutes later after it got light enough to track but still before sunrise. Thought that I was going to get a call to help track into my place once again, but no call, so maybe he found it or it ran across the road.
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I've started giving coyotes a pass. I know they will take some fawns but that's just Mama Nature at work. Why give them a pass? Because they are the only predator, other than me, that can attack the wild hogs. And, I am butt deep in the damn things.
It's not about the fish. It's about the pond. Take care of the pond and the fish will be fine. PB subscriber since before it was in color.
Without a sense of urgency, Nothing ever gets done.
Boy, if I say "sic em", you'd better look for something to bite. Sam Shelley Rancher and Farmer Muleshoe Texas 1892-1985 RIP
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I've started giving coyotes a pass. I know they will take some fawns but that's just Mama Nature at work. Why give them a pass? Because they are the only predator, other than me, that can attack the wild hogs. And, I am butt deep in the damn things. Dave, the deer have less defense mechanisms against the coyotes than the hogs. If you are having less deer on the place, one way to increase their numbers is to whack all the 'yotes you can. Hogs can and will kill fawns too........
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