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Fish ID Please
I have been fishing a local reservoir lately that is about 6 acres. I have caught several fish that I believe have a heavy influence of pumpkinseed genetics. Will one of the experts please chime in? Thanks
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I'm willing to be wrong first and say I think it looks like a Redbreast Sunfish.
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I lean toward Longear. The white margin of the ears are a good indication of LES IMHO. That's a handsome male in breeding color.
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I'm willing to accept being wrong as well but I "think" it's LES with something else crossed. The first Pic is a pretty good shot of a male, but my LES in captivity look a bit different, especially the breast.
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Growing up we called Longears by the name of pumpkinseeds all the time. My Dad called them pumpkinseeds and so did we. We also threw Longears in with GSF (aka Rockbass, goggleye), in with RES, and BG collectively as "perch". This reminds me of that old song ... I say Tomotto ... you say Tomayto ... Let's call the whole thing off ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOILZ_D3aRg
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More -- FYI Redbreast Can naturally hybridize with L. cyanellus, L. gibbosus, L. macrochirus, and L. microlophus https://www.efish.fishwild.vt.edu/families/redbreastsun.html
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Unfortunately, I have PS. That doesn't look anything like PS to me. Looks like redbreast cross.
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Unfortunately, I have PS. That doesn't look anything like PS to me. Looks like redbreast cross. OP said " I have caught several fish that I believe have a heavy influence of pumpkinseed genetics." That is why I included PS info. Sunfish genetics id can be very difficult and its not all about outward appearance. Agree it could be a RB cross. https://www.efish.fishwild.vt.edu/families/hybrid.htmlHere is some sunfish info from WiscFish Compare Similar Species Lateral Scales Bluegill 39-45 Sunfish, Green 44-51 Sunfish, Longear 34-38 Sunfish, Orangespotted 36-41 Pumpkinseed 38-43 Warmouth 36-40 Bass, Rock 39-43 Opercular Flap Color Bluegill Solid dark Sunfish, Green Dark with light margin Sunfish, Longear Dark with light margin Sunfish, Orangespotted Dark with light margin Pumpkinseed Dark with light spot at tip Warmouth Dark with light margin Bass, Rock Solid dark Gill Rakers Bluegill 13-16, moderately long Sunfish, Green 11-14, long and thin Sunfish, Longear 9-11, short and thick Sunfish, Orangespotted 10-15, long and thin Pumpkinseed 9-12, short and thick Warmouth 9-12, moderately long Bass, Rock 7-10, long and thin Pectoral Fin Bluegill Long, pointed Sunfish, Green Moderately long, rounded Sunfish, Longear Short, rounded or blunt point Sunfish, Orangespotted Long, rounded or blunt point Pumpkinseed Long, pointed Warmouth Moderately long, rounded Bass, Rock Short, rounded Pigment Pattern on Sides and Soft Dorsal Fin Bluegill Sides dark or silver blue or bluish-olive, solid color or with dark vertical bars, sometimes fine irregular dark blue spots; fin solid, often with large diffuse spot at base Sunfish, Green Sides yellow or blue-green, with solid color, dark mottling, faint light spots or faint dark bars; fin dusky, spotted or with dark blotch at base Sunfish, Longear Sides dark bluish-olive, with solid color or light irregular spots or blotches/mottling; fin solid or faint spots/mottling Sunfish, Orangespotted Sides blue or gray, with occasional irregular orange spots, faint diffuse vertical bars; fin solid or faint spots/mottling Pumpkinseed Sides olive or yellow-olive, with many irregular yellow-orange spots or blotches and sometimes faint vertical bars; fin solid or faint spots/mottling Warmouth Sides yellow-brown or olive with dark mottling, faint spots or faint bars; fin mottled and/or spotted Bass, Rock Sides brown solid color or with dark mottling or many indistinct spots; fin mottled and/or spotted Other Characteristics Bluegill Opercular flap slightly elongated in large adults Sunfish, Green Rarely a few teeth on tongue Sunfish, Longear Opercular flap greatly elongated in adults Sunfish, Orangespotted Opercular flap often elongated in adults; large sensory pores above lip; 8-9 anal fin rays Pumpkinseed None Warmouth Well-developed supramaxillary bone; teeth on tongue Bass, Rock 5-7 anal spines; 9-11 anal rays Similarity Index Bluegill Small juveniles very similar, adults moderately similar Sunfish, Green Small juveniles very similar, adults moderately similar Sunfish, Longear N/A Sunfish, Orangespotted Very similar Pumpkinseed Very similar Warmouth Very similar Bass, Rock Small juveniles very similar, adults moderately similar
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