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#93071 12/13/06 05:37 PM
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Bruce and Theo and others have kindly posted info on their systems for indoor fish raising. I've followed those threads with interest since I'm very much in need of a system for overwintering Tilapia.

Necessity sometimes leads in strange directions.

Here's my story. We had this old chicken coop, nice structure, but not much else. I needed a gym/workout area and so I've transformed the chicken coop into a very nice home gym. At the same time, we wanted to remove a spa/hot tub from the main house because it took up too much space and wasn't used any longer. I moved the spa into the newly created gym.

It looks to me to be perfect for overwintering Tilapia and any other fish. I'm going to hook up a 1500g pump to the spa to augment the filtration and to also provide the option of switching this unit back to a spa come springtime....if anyone decides to use it as a spa.

Only problem thus far is that because I went off to Mexico fishing and a cold snap came along, I lost all my Tilapia...before I could get them inside in the new accomodations....redneck aquaculture...making something useful out of something that isn't being used.

This may not be such a radical thought...in talking to the local spa store, they told me that they often get requests for spa removals(but they have never heard of anyone using an old spa for fish growing). People just sometimes get tired of them. Looks to me like a real potential for fish overwintering. Will post "the rest of the story" next spring.

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I like it Meadowlark. Now if I can only find one someone wants to get rid of.



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Too bad, it would have been very interesting to see how many Tilapia you could have raised in there.

Any chance you could buy a few just to see what happens? The people who raise them must have some that that they are keeping warm until spring.

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Meadowlark, tell us about the fishing in Mexico.

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I'm proud just to say I know you, Meadowlark.


Hey Moe, I'm trying to think but nuthin's happening!
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At the very minimum, you will have some strong tilapia.


Excerpt from Robert Crais' "The Monkey's Raincoat:"
"She took another microscopic bite of her sandwich, then pushed it away. Maybe she absorbed nutrients from her surroundings."

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Buff chickens; fish relaxing in the spa tub after a rough day at the offic...er....pond. What kinda place you runnin' down there? What's next...personalized anger management sessions for aggressive RES?
\:\)

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Better keep your bathing suit on if that is where you are going to keep your pacu.


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If you don't have any Tilapia for this Winter, are you going to put in some other fish for a shakedown cruise?


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you know yer a redneck when you treat yer chickens better than yer family. by far the nicest coup i've ever seen \:D


GSF are people too!

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Bruce tried that in his house and almost boiled the YP alive. Then he had carp in the tub until the ferret got them.

ML what about a couple bonefish. ;\)
















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Them are some hard one liners to follow, but....
Now, Meadowlark, I've seen and metcha, and you're a purty good sized guy. Them are some good sized chunks of iron on that machine. Who you tryin' ta fool. Keep workin' out so's you can get a good hook set on them pond world record HSB. Welcome back.


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Ya, agreed those comments are hard to follow. Here's the best I can do:


http://www.andycouch.com/whitetrashxmas/

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Way to recycle ML! My mother called me last summer with a similar idea for a hot tub left on the property next to her's that she purchased. She is planning on using it for an outdoor mini-pond. Looks like the seats would make a nice place to sit some marginals.

Can't wait to see how it turns out.




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I would like to see a picture of you in the hot tub with the tilapia.

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Ah yes, James. There are so many photos we need to see, and such reluctance to submit them for our candid review.

Lusk on the zipline

Meadowlark bathing with tilapia

Theo slipping tongue to a channel cat


....the list goes on and on.


Excerpt from Robert Crais' "The Monkey's Raincoat:"
"She took another microscopic bite of her sandwich, then pushed it away. Maybe she absorbed nutrients from her surroundings."

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Brettski,

I think the anger management you mentioned was Meadowlark's try at solving the "Mad Cow" problems.

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Ah yes, James. There are so many photos we need to see, and such reluctance to submit them for our candid review.

Lusk on the zipline

Meadowlark bathing with tilapia

Theo slipping tongue to a channel cat


....the list goes on and on.
Watch it, Sunil. You're getting dangerously close to slander. The nerve of insinuating, without a shred of supporting evidence, that Bob Lusk has used his zipline.


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My fault. That was a typo for Meadowlark. I've gone and edited it.

Theo, please edit your post; I don't want anyone to think I was messing with Larry's handle!


Excerpt from Robert Crais' "The Monkey's Raincoat:"
"She took another microscopic bite of her sandwich, then pushed it away. Maybe she absorbed nutrients from her surroundings."

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When I think of ML and the natural world, I can't help but remember his post regarding the pigs, the trap, and the front end loader. How did we ever get a man on the moon?


It's not about the fish. It's about the pond. Take care of the pond and the fish will be fine. PB subscriber since before it was in color.

Without a sense of urgency, Nothing ever gets done.

Boy, if I say "sic em", you'd better look for something to bite. Sam Shelley Rancher and Farmer Muleshoe Texas 1892-1985 RIP
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Sounds like you guys had some fun with this one. That's great!! I'll try to respond to each question/comment and as time goes forward, make some follow-up posts on the progress of this "experiment" as it unfolds or collapses which ever turns out to be the case.

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I like it Meadowlark. Now if I can only find one someone wants to get rid of.
Shorty, keep looking. They are out there. I know for a fact.


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Too bad, it would have been very interesting to see how many Tilapia you could have raised in there.

Any chance you could buy a few just to see what happens? The people who raise them must have some that that they are keeping warm until spring.

Eddie
Eddie, My intent is to overwinter just a few large Tilapia, some Pacus and Texas Rio’s. I believe I can get the large Tilapia from Ken Hale, but if anyone else has a few, I’m interested.


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Meadowlark, tell us about the fishing in Mexico.
Fishinglth, I had a great trip…got my first grand slam, first Permit (and second), a couple of Tarpon, and many Bonefish, You can read a more detailed account at this url, but if you want more details I’m most happy to provide them along with pictures. I love to talk fishing.

http://www.texasflyreport.com/forums/thread.aspx?id=87985

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I'm proud just to say I know you, Meadowlark.
Jersey, The pleasure of reading your posts and through them, knowing you, is all mine. Thank you.

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At the very minimum, you will have some strong tilapia.
Sunil, I hope you are right, but I’m not as confident as you…I’ve seen my experiments go South before...I’m very capable of screwing this up.

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Buff chickens; fish relaxing in the spa tub after a rough day at the offic...er....pond. What kinda place you runnin' down there? What's next...personalized anger management sessions for aggressive RES?
\:\)
Brettski, RES are one fish I’ve had absolutely no luck with…now a Pacu with an attitude just might be something to behold. RES will flee in terror when they see the Pacu next spring.

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Better keep your bathing suit on if that is where you are going to keep your pacu.
Rad, yep I hear ya and intend to protect that which is mine!

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If you don't have any Tilapia for this Winter, are you going to put in some other fish for a shakedown cruise?
Theo, I’ll find some large Tilapia…but I’m really in hot pursuit of some Pacu I learned about in Mexico. It’s a long story, but I’ve made contact with a family in Argentina that has some huge Pacu with some very interesting characteristics. We’ll see where this experiment goes.

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you know yer a redneck when you treat yer chickens better than yer family. by far the nicest coup i've ever seen \:D
D.I.E.D., You should have seen it when I started…no self respecting chicken would dare set foot in that mess. but it has turned into a fine gym…with a lot of sweat and hard work.

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Bruce tried that in his house and almost boiled the YP alive. Then he had carp in the tub until the ferret got them.

ML what about a couple bonefish. ;\)
EWEST, Bruce is always ahead of me, always.

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Them are some hard one liners to follow, but....
Now, Meadowlark, I've seen and metcha, and you're a purty good sized guy. Them are some good sized chunks of iron on that machine. Who you tryin' ta fool. Keep workin' out so's you can get a good hook set on them pond world record HSB. Welcome back.
Burger, The honest truth is I workout because I want to be able to wade a salt water flat when I’m in my 80’s, catch an Alaskan steelhead on a remote stream, and, God willing, have the muscle stamina to chase Permit across Chetumal Bay. What a way to go!!

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Ya, agreed those comments are hard to follow. Here's the best I can do:
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Bobad, Actually I prefer Bud Lite...but the rest probably applies. ;\)


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Way to recycle ML! My mother called me last summer with a similar idea for a hot tub left on the property next to her's that she purchased. She is planning on using it for an outdoor mini-pond. Looks like the seats would make a nice place to sit some marginals.

Can't wait to see how it turns out.
Ryan, Very little goes to waste on Meadowlark Ranch, not so much because we have to but because we believe it is the right thing to do.

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I would like to see a picture of you in the hot tub with the tilapia.
James, You must be still looking for the ultimate terror inspiring “No Trespassing Sign” . That probably would be it.

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Ah yes, James. There are so many photos we need to see, and such reluctance to submit them for our candid review.
Sunil, You first.

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Brettski,

I think the anger management you mentioned was Meadowlark's try at solving the "Mad Cow" problems.
Cary, You think this may actually work?

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When I think of ML and the natural world, I can't help but remember his post regarding the pigs, the trap, and the front end loader. How did we ever get a man on the moon?
DD, Ah yes the pigs…this little experiment may be right up there with the pigs in terms of interesting anecdotes. At the least, I’ll stake a claim to the highest class fish hotel in East Texas.

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Not sure that having the highest class fish hotel in East Texas is worth braggin rights. Especially since it's in a chicken house. That won't raise many eyebrows in East Texas.


It's not about the fish. It's about the pond. Take care of the pond and the fish will be fine. PB subscriber since before it was in color.

Without a sense of urgency, Nothing ever gets done.

Boy, if I say "sic em", you'd better look for something to bite. Sam Shelley Rancher and Farmer Muleshoe Texas 1892-1985 RIP
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Ok, I'm ready to declare the Redneck Aquaculture System(hereafter referred to as REDAS...hey RAS is already taken by Theo) operational for Phase I. I'd very much like to hear comments or whatever on the approach and plans for going forward.

To get to this point, I have:
1) installed an old (15 years) spa in an re-conditioned well insulated building
2) installed an aux filtration system
3) primed the aux filtration system by adding one ounce of biological microorganisms daily for a week
4) installed plexiglass viewing and operating windows hinged with duct tape (what would a REDAS be without duct tape?)
5) conditioned the water chemistry to ideal ph and alkalinity
6) and last but certainly not least, conducted a week long simulation/shakedown.

Regarding the aux filtration system, it is a biological/mechanical pressurized filter used often in water gardens. I have installed it as an insurance policy to protect against spa failure (15 years old) as well as insurance in case the spa filtration system does not have enough capability to let me achieve Phase II, a fully loaded system. Since it takes 2 to 4 weeks to fully activate the microorgs for acting on fish waste in the filter, I added the all natural bio starter. The return flow on the aux system is also set up to provide horizontal aeration to the water.

The plexiglass windows are installed in a sheet of R-Matte R3 insulation board which I use to cover 1/2 of the spa. the other half is covered with the original insulated spa cover. These windows are used for viewing, feeding, and other operational needs.

The shakedown/simulation was conducted using Fatheads, Gambusia, and 1 unwilling Koi. The Koi was used as a canary to assess any potential adverse affects of heavy metals in the well water, in particular copper. Koi are very sensitive to free copper and some old spas used copper as the heating element.....thus the need for the test. The test went fine with only a couple of fathead casualties. The Koi is still trying to figure out how it is so blessed as to reside in a spa and the Gams are too busy taking care of physical needs(i.e. reproduction) to care.

Hence, I'm ready to go operational for Phase I and in fact have already done so. During this initial phase, I plan to grow out some speciality fish for later stocking in my ponds. Later, in Phase II, assuming the REDAS gets that far, I will fully load the system to the breaking point to determine first where that point is in terms of fish carrying capacity but also to generate hundreds of Tilapia for spring pond stocking. Phase II will start, as currently planned in late Feb. next year.

Pictured below you can see the installation. I figure I've got $250 invested in the preparation/aux system. You can buy most if it at your local Lowes. The operating costs of the REDAS are going to be incrementally very small. We already kept the spa at 65 degrees during the winter and the aux system uses very little power.

Here's the picture. I look forward to any comments on the system thus far and Phase I and Phase II plans.



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would a sand filter from a above ground pool work for a fish grow out tank. I have one and it is just sitting here waiting to go to a land fill or put to use..


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Trialsguy,

Working at Aquatic Eco for a while, I recall that questions several times a week. A sand filter is great for a swimming pool where the water does not contain organic material, (fishwaste, dissolved and solid). The bacteria will grow on the sand grains resulting in a clumping them together. We have seen the grains stuck so well that the backflush method simply created channels opposed to fluidizing (made up word) the sand.

If you were to use the Filter assembly as a holding tank and add a different media like bio balls or foam or lava rock, then you might be okay.

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ML will you get enough light to the fish/water? Temp + photoperiod for many types of fish to spawn and start growth.
















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ML will you get enough light to the fish/water?
EWEST,
Good question...and I'm not sure of the answer. I put in a 4 x 6 ft window in the shed right next to the spa, and have cut-in those viewing windows I mentioned...but I'm not sure that will be enough. I know for sure the fish I have must be enclosed or they will jump out. Any data on how much light is enough to enable spawning in Tilapia?

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ML, will only natural light work? What about a neon Gro Light bulb?


It's not about the fish. It's about the pond. Take care of the pond and the fish will be fine. PB subscriber since before it was in color.

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DD,

Not sure...this is totally unknown territory for me. I've never even had an aquarium before. I know T,P,&W uses artificial lighting to help enable Redfish spawning. Sounds like a great rainy day internet surfing project. \:\)

Dang, DD, if one has more than one type of fish in the same tank that he would like to have spawn, then it might get really complicated....

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Checking on tilapia light/photoperiod and will report back. I know BG/RES are spawned indoors with artificial light. ML I thought I saw lights in the tub? If you have to rely on indoor light that clear plexiglas cover you had in one pic will do ok .

Some good info here but not a direct answer. Still looking.

http://srac.tamu.edu/tmppdfs/78451-282fs...33b6a4f416755e7 from

http://srac.tamu.edu/index.cfm?catid=11
















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This is the best I have found so far.

Photoperiod is not a critical factor in spawning as long as there are at least 10-16 hours of light (some sources list 12-14 hours as optimum). Temperature is critical; Tilapia will not spawn if the temperature falls below 20°C. The optimum temperature is 82-86°F.
















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EWEST,

Thanks for your efforts. I was aware of the temp requirements but not lighting. The spa is easily capable of providing the needed temps and has a built-in light but not sure if artificial light will do the trick. The main use of this system is for growing-out and overwintering and if spawning happens it would be a great bonus. The plan is to crank up the temps around the end of February and see what happens. Thanks.

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We will be waiting on your posts on what happens with this interesting project. Please no pics of ML lounging in the tub with the tilapia. :p ;\)
















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Don't worry...not going to happen...unless Sunil goes first. ;\) Besides, there's Pacu in those waters.

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The more I read, the less I know.

What is Pacu?

Eddie


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This might give you an idea of why ML said what he did, pictures at the bottom.


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Didn't someone (Eastland?) say their tilapia spawned in an aquarium with artificial light on all the time?

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IIRC Ryan Freeze ended last Winter with more Tilapia than he started with in his large tank system.


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I'm just catching up. There was standard commercial florescent lighting on about 10hrs per day on my tank. Water temp was around 80 degrees. Top was open exept for some chicken wire to keep them from jumping out...which they will. The water was very green.

ML, are you using the tub's heater?




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Here are a couple of more thoughts: the filter and pumping system is designed for clean water and clog very easily. Consider plumbing the outlet of your external filter into the intake of your tub filter thereby "prefiltering" the water entering your tub's filter and heater and still being able to use the air pump in the tub for aeration. If that proves to be too difficult you may also consider bypassing the tub pumping system completely and simply mounting the heater to the outflow of your external filter and then plumbing a line from your air pump through a hose to a large airstone.




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Ryan,

Yes, I'm using the spa's heater which is very capable. As shown, I've augmented the spa filtration system with a pressurized bio/mechanical filter and have seeded it with beneficial bacteria already.

I really appreciate your info, Ryan, and the PM's especially. Gives me some confidence going down an unknown road. If I do half as well as you did, I'll be happy.

My "plan" this first time is to just have the breeder fish survive and gain some weight until the end of February and at that time crank up the temps, turn on the lights and try for spawning activity. Based on your results, I think I can handle 30 to 40 pounds of fish for a short time between March and April or May when they are released into the ponds. Really appreciate your comments.

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Ryan,

Must have been posting at the same time as you. \:\)

Interesting words on the filtration system. The way my operation is set up, the spa filter/pump runs only when the heater element comes on, which is fairly infrequent right now, but will be more frequent when I crank up the temps later on. The aux filtration system actually runs constantly 24/7. I'll look at routing it through the spa filtration but since the spa filter/pump only runs when the heater element kicks on, seems like that is not practical in my case. The aux system cycles a volume of water equivilant to the spa tank every 45 minutes. A similar system has performed very well in an outside micro-pond stocked with fish, including Tilapia It's capacity(the rated cap. of the aux system) considerably exceeds the size of the spa...750 gallon spa vs 2000 gallon aux filtration system.

Would you say a spa used in this manner could never be used for human purposes again? I'm actually hoping that is the case and will make this a permanent arrangement. \:\)

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It's been a while since I've had an aquarium but there is "The Aquatic Maestro" series of 4-H books that were very helpful in getting me started. The books are designed for 10-14 year olds and at the time were about $1 each from the extension office. There is a lot good information in an easy to understand format.




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The problem I fear would be the tub filter or the screened intake clogging causing the heater to overheat and tripping the thermal overload protection. This used to happen frequently with our spa due to debris somehow slipping past cover. If you think you may use the spa for human purposes in the future it may be worth investing $140 in an external heater and not using the spas system at all.




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Things are running just bubbly so far on this project and I’ve made some changes to operational procedures with more changes on the way.

When the project started, I didn’t expect or plan to use the high speed jet recirculation or forced air jet aeration capabilities of the spa…just use it as a holding tank and water heater. As fish wastes have been generated, some have settled into the various irregular shapes of the spa/hot tub which is made for comfortable seating of humans. This is difficult to remove with just one main recirculating pump. I tried a fine mesh pool skimmer with good results but it still leaves a lot of fine particles in the water. So, turn on the high speed jets and high pressure air system and see what happens…it is still an experiment, after all.

Well, the results really surprised me. The high speed jets coupled with high pressure air completely stirs up the wastes to where the entire system can be completely filtered in about 10 minutes. I was at first fearful of how the fish would react to this procedure…but you know what, they actually seem to enjoy it much like we would in taking a dip in the hot tub. No kidding, ROTFL but they really do. If and when it becomes necessary to run this procedure longer, it may still have adverse affects of the fish but so far, they line up every morning for the daily spa.

Next up, I’m working on some automation methods for the feeding and water quality processes.

p.s. note to moderators...this thread should probably be moved to the raising forage and bait category. Thanks.

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ML do you want one of us to move it ?

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The Redneck Aquaculture Sys has now been automated and the capacity has been increased through the following changes:

1)an automatic feeder, pictured in the first photo below, has been installed. This little feeder (from Aquatic sys) provides multiple feeding cycles each day of varying length. Next to the feeder you can also see the aeration system which is a right-off- the-shelf comm... sys from Academy.

2)An aux tank has been added to provide a source of constant fresh water exchange. The tank shown in the second photo below is an old 150 gallon stock tank with an automatic water level float. This tank will also serve much later on as a grow-out tank for small fry which hopefully will come later.

3)To complete the water change sys, icemaker tubing was added to siphon from 0 to 250 gallons per day as shown in photo 3 below. Initially, the siphon is set to provide a 15% water change daily and adjustments from that setting will be made as necessary.

Thus far system costs are about the same as the cost of a large automatic fish feeder. The only problems encountered thus far have been in managing the ammonia levels. That problem now seems to be under control with the biological filters getting fully seasoned and the addition of the stock tank with fresh water exchange. The system can now run itself for at least a week and possibly two weeks with the only manual intervention to check ph and ammonia levels.







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ML, that is truly ingenious and definitely matches the thread title.


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Well, ML. It seems you are keeping busy. Enjoy the good life. That is one sweet setup.


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Awesome! What is the third Picture? I thought it was a pic from google earth until I saw the ball valve!

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ML, what do you mean by "the biologic filters getting seasoned"?


It's not about the fish. It's about the pond. Take care of the pond and the fish will be fine. PB subscriber since before it was in color.

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DD1,

Some of the experts on here can answer your question with more accurate scientific facts, but in plain Texan, fish eat and produce nitrogen-rich waste material(FS)and ammonia is a product of that process. Specialized, neat microorganisms breakdown this ammonia and convert it first to nitrites and then nitrates. Biological filtration is a wonderful process which provides a home(the filter) and an optimum environment(the materials in the filter), for those microorganisms to live, multiply and do their thing, which is consume nitrites and nitrates that will otherwise harm or even kill your fish.

Getting seasoned is simply my way of saying getting the microorganisms established in the filter in sufficient quantity to remove all the ammonia. It has taken a couple of weeks to get there...sometimes it can take even longer, but what a wonderful process Someone designed to make use of everything, nothing wasted.

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 Quote:
Originally posted by Theo Gallus:
ML, that is truly ingenious and definitely matches the thread title.
Thank you Theo...I considered adding a drain tree to the stock tank as perfected by you and Bruce, but $2 icemaker tubing with a quick-connect valve to regulate the siphon flow seemed much easier and consistent with the theme(since the tubing was on a shelf \:\) ).

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 Quote:
Originally posted by Bender:
Awesome! What is the third Picture? I thought it was a pic from google earth until I saw the ball valve!
Bender, the tubing exits the chicken coop wall at that point and the valve provides total water change volume control....really an extremely useful design. Thanks for your comment.

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 Quote:
Originally posted by burgermeister:
Well, ML. It seems you are keeping busy. Enjoy the good life. That is one sweet setup.
BM,

Thanks and I have to tell you my signature is no joke...I'm having a blast and encourage anyone with interests to get out when they can.

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