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#92923 11/14/06 09:25 PM
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You have no idea what my first idea was but I came to my senses. I have a extra bathroom in the house. I was actually contemplating raising them in the bathtub, but I thought now I am getting out of hand. Actually it prob would work out much easyer to do it in there because I could contole the light easy with a timer and door closed to make the lighting right. Coulld you imagine the visitors.. Hey joe can I use your bathroom... hehehe ya just dont use the tub.


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Yea....tell em dont feed the fish while your in there! I knew a guy that raised fish in an old tub that he sunk into his backyard. It actually worked out pretty good for him.


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This is Condello's guest bath tub. When he serves carp to his guests for dinner, he never tells them where the carp came from.

I know, I know. It's just sick.





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Hahaha this is why I like this place so much your all nutser then I am... hahahahaha


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Hey Condello....cut the mud line out of mine and score it good! On second thought not sure I could not eat a fish that came from a bathtub! The ferret looks excited!


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Dang! I forgot about that picture.

Actually the ferret is trained to take periodic water quality samplings. If he detects a dissolved oxygen sag he speed dials me at work. One chitter means DO problems, two chitters means ammonia buildup.


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i wish the cat was that smart.


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The update on the fatheads in the tub. There not doing great. The BG are doing very good but the fathead seem to be dieing off. So today I caught a few BG and brought them in. I am gonna switch from trying to breed the fatheads to growing the BG. I have a few CNBG that are small and several 3" BG that I just caught, one might be a RES I am not sure. The tub is just a rubbermaid, I put a 12 dollar submersable heater, I bought a cheap filter, actually bought 4 of them, a small air pump, and a splitter and a air stone. The poly floss I bought from wallmart, a huge bag for 2 bucks and the AmmoCarb from thatpetplace. Here is the link for the filters, this link has all the stuff you might want from air pumps to filters etc. Its more geared twards aquariums but the do have a pond section.

http://www.thatpetplace.com/Products/KW/...1/Itemdy00.aspx


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So you're running all four filters on the same tank? Does that require four separate pumps or am I missing the boat here? (I miss the boat a lot lately). I've never had an actual aquarium, so I'm interested in how the filter setup works. Can you post a picture? If not you could email me a photo. I'm raising bluegill in a rubbermaid too, but I'm running water through at a rate of .4 gpm, but would like to add a filter for when I'm away for a period of time. Thanks Joey.


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I only bought 4 because there so cheap. I figure buy a couple incase I want to set up more tubs. When you buy a cheap air pump they usually come with a splitter so you can run this type filter and a air stone. The filter actually does a nice job and considering you pick up the floss at wallmart for 2 bucks, thats enough to change the filter floss 60 to 100 times and the ammocarb is less then 6 bucks that enough to change it 40 times or so. so the filter, air pump, stone, floss, ammocarb and small heater is all about then 25 bucks. If you want I can go to the sight and copy and paste all the links. A filter cant hurt and the heater is key. Its no big doller filtration system but it works and actually works pretty good. I will take some pics.


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Here is the little deal I set up, by no means a commercial setup but it just something to do for the winter and maybe let the BG get a jump on springtime. Here are a few pics, its time for a new camera! I am pretty sure that fish in the pic is a YOY,maybe from the first spawn. Pretty sure its just a common BG. I see no white or coloring on the fins to think it may be CNBG.












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Good job, Joey!!

This shows how little I know about this stuff, but I've got two of those exact aerators and always just assumed that the second airline was just in case you wanted to aerate two different tanks. So you're telling me now that I take that second airline and hook it to one of those little filters and I've got some filtration, right? This is why my wife gets a good laugh at me sometimes because there are places that my brain never goes.

You have seen a picture of my setup, haven't you?




Any worries about that heater against the plastic bucket?


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Ya, the second airline is either for a differnt tank or the same tank with differnt attachments. I saw your setup and it will be a template for something I want to do in the spring under a carport. My set up is just a quick deal to do somethoing for winter. I am sure it will grow the BG to get a headstart next year. I think your system would benifit from a filter and a heater because if you add a filter you can boost the temp of the water so those BG or stripers can grow at optimum temp. It has to be hard to maintain good water temp with a constant flow of well water. You should be able to just do a water change once or twice a week if you add a filter and a stone. I figure I will do a 25% water change one time a week and change out the filter media one time a week. Gonna maintain the water at about 68-70. Well see what happens.


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Joey, or Burger or Theo, do you know what those heaters cost to run each day?


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For your tank I think a 100 or 150 watt heater would be plenty. So you can figure it less then running a 100 watt light. It will cycle on and off more or less depending on surrounding temps. Its prob not much but to give you a number I cant. Guessing it pennys a day.


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So, let's see....1/10 kw if you ran it 24 hours would be 2.4 kwh....divided by the square root of....hmmmm...then times the unit cost of something....uhhhh....wooops, my head just exploded.


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I know one thing its not a lot. I would bet a doller its less then 20 cents a day. I would like to know actually how much. 100 watts, figure 12 hours a day, would do your tub.


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Joey, that would be pretty close. 1.2 kilowatt hrs. X your cost per kwh., which is 12-16 cents.


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From watching the Electric Bill, my cost to run a 1500W heater in a 100 gallon trough OUTDOORS in the dead of Winter is on the order of $10 per month. Running a heater on a small tank indoors would be pretty negligible.

Joey, I recognize your air pump; I believe I'm using the same one. A couple of tips:

1) Keep an eye on the output of your airstones. Mine clog a considerable amount over time due to the calcium and iron in my well water. The air output drops correspondingly, and I have to change stones about once a month. I lost a BG (very luckily only 1) finding this out.

2) You may want to rig up something to keep the heater away from the surface of the tank. Make sure I'm the only PB forum member who has burned down a watering trough.

Here's my set up - notice the truly radical departure from Bruce's approach. :rolleyes:



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Theo, I've come up with another "radical" change to the system. You can take a brass sweeper nozzle that would ordinarily output about 3 gpm and smash it flat with a hammer. so that the opening is a slit. This way the pressurized water comes out at only about .3 gpm, but it hits the water so hard that it produces more oxygen from the disturbance.


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Thanks Theo, I did buy a 4 pack of the stones. The submersable heater I bought has a clip and it clips on in a way to keep it away from the bin.

Bruce, I use to have a nozzel for my Ehime filter. All it was, was a clear plastic nozzel that had small tubing and it shot out water and air bubbles together. I have looked for the same nozzel but cant seem to find one

Theo what is attached to your bridge thing?

After seeing both your tubs I need a bigger one to now!


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Joey - Two things.
1. I don't "think" that the white tips on the CNBG fins appear until the fish is at or near sexual maturity. Someone, Correct me if I am wrong, but I would also like to see a good photo with the correction.

2. I have some doubts about the success of your system because you do not have a flow through system similar to Theo's and Dr Bruce's. I also base my comment on the number of fish that I see in your "tub". How many fish do you have in that tub and how many gallons of water in it? ?

At least a little flow through or water turn-over is critical to their success. Joey, try it as you have it now we may learn something, but closely monitor the ammonia levels.


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I just learned something.. I was looking for white tips or color on fins of all my BG thinking none were CNBG when they may be.

The tub is 32 gal most of those fish are Fatheads that I will be taking out. There is 10 or 11 BG.

The ammonia hopefully get taken care of from the AmmoCarb plus I will be doing a 25% water change weekly. You may be right and this wont be enough, that rate is more then twice what I did with my aquarium and I had the fish loaded in there.

I need to buy a new camera, it takes very bad pictures. I could prob get a better more clear pic outside of one of the fish.


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Joey:

The "bridge" is the tray I made to hold my heaters in place. Fish like the cover it provides, too.


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Theo,

I don't know squat about indoor fish raising but one thing makes me nervous. It's how close your wall outlet is to your tank. As we all know eletricity and water is a dangerous combination. Any possbily you should move the tank farther away from the outlet? I value you input here and wouldn't want to see anything happen to you. Or maybe a GFI plugin if you don't have one?


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