Pond Boss Forums MANAGING AN EXISTING POND Feeding Hummmmm....

https://endurancefeeds.com/
Anybody know anything about this???? :-))

No....do you?? LOL!

Website is not accessible for me.

The phoenix suggests rebirth, so guessing this might be Optimal 2.0??

I sure hope so!

I love Grok 3

Pretty slick intro video. Nice. Good to see they are back on track.

They can't read, but I have feed trained LMB and HSB that are getting happy again.

https://endurancefeeds.com/

Its back!

Endurance is available for preorder now, they are going to start shipping on the 4/8

It is now called Professional Pond Blend. I just ordered a bag. It is the same price and shipping is free! I hand throw and this just throws so much better than Purina. I will say my fish will eat either one but the bigger pellet here is better for me. Glad they are back!

I've got 6 bags of this blend.. Fish are liking it although I'm very excited about the 7mm version, hoping my YP will take to that.

Snipe, do you know if the LMB aquaculture feed will return to production? Also, if the cold water feed will be available next year?

They haven't mentioned the "3, 5, 7" yet if that's what you are referring to, just the 9mm bass pellet at this point. I am excited about the 7mm pellet though in the blend it's 5mm is made.

The 9mm bass pellet should take over the 3/8" Triton pellets. Cargill requires a 4 pallet order of 3/8" pellets before they make a run.

I am just wondering if the professional pond blend is the same as optimal bluegill or if it is different? I have a bag pre-ordered to ship April 8th. They told me it is 40-10 and 5mm pellet.

Yes, they used to provide a 48-18 formulation for LMB grow outs in those sizes. The winter feed is a slow sinking feed that is comprised largely of fish meal and fish oil. An interesting feed that I know of nowhere else to find (except, possibly Zeigler).

I can tell you this... I can't "quote" because I was not given permission to do so... BUT... I was told the professional pond blend was possibly the best feed produced in-house.

I would like to repeat Langster question as I didn't see an answer or maybe I missed it.

For those of us who used the Optimal Bluegill and the Optimal Bluegill Jr products before, what would be (if there is to be) a comparable choice in the Endurance feed line?

From what I can see the new offerings are already a variety of pellet 'lengths'? 'sizes'? But it appears the extrusion diameter might be the only difference. With the Optimal Bluegill vs Bluegill Jr there was both length and diameter differences.

Maybe the mix of protein/fat is different than the old products too?

Trying to figure out if there will be comparable products or how to order on the new menu.

Thanks

Canyon,

The best I can tell the label for the pond blend didn't change much from just before the closure. The protein and lipid percentages are same (there are a lot of 40-10 formulations out there and many ways to reach those percentages). The biggest change in the label occurred at some (not known by me) time before the closure when animal protein sources changed from being independently listed to being lumped together as a single ingredient (animal protein products). My guess is that the formulation has not changed a lot and will produce similar results as it did before the closure. Pond blend seems to be comparable to Optimal BG while Juvenile seems to be comparable to Optimal BG Jr.

Here is some info from Mark Griffin , PhD animal nutritionist , previously with Purina. It is a bit old as there is now plant based proteins that are good but I don't know if they are readily available.

Dog food is designed for dogs - you are much better off going with fish food designed for the fish you are feeding.

Feather meal as a fish food protein source. There are two primary factors of protein quality for monogastrics (fish for this discussion) - 1) Amino Acid profile and 2) Amino Acid availability. The amino acid profile of feather looks pretty good if you look at the Total Sulfur Amino Acid content. It has a high content of cystine - a sulfur amino acid (SAA). SAAs can be limiting in monogastric diets and tend to be expensive to formulate into diets (they are relatively low in many inexpensive plant proteins). Unfortunately, the reason it is so high is because feather is a structural protein. The di-sulfide bonds between two cysteines make the protein very tough. This is what gives the keratins their structural rigidity - like our hair and fingernails. Unfortunately, this serves to make them very hard to digest. Therefore, as a rule, the availability is not so good. To increase the availability, feather meal is often hydrolyzed, this is an attempot to break down the disulfide bonds to increase availability. Shoe leather analyzes at 85% crude protein, but it is not digestible.

A word on protein sources.... Most protein sources are available in different qualities. This is particularly true for the expensive animal proteins - fish meal, poultry meals, blood meals, etc. Quality and freshness of the raw materials and the processing are factors that result in this variability. As examples:
A) Quality of Raw Materials: Meat meals are often priced on protein content - simply put, it is the ratio of bone (ash) to meat (protein). Bones (minerals, ash) are not as valuable as protein.
B) Freshness of Raw Materials: The US commercial fishing fleet for menhaden now has all refrigerated vessel storage.... the season is in over the summer, primarily in the Gulf of Mexico. Obviously, if it is not refrigerated....
c) Processing: Blood has a good amino acid profile. If it is drum-dried (essentially scorched on a extremely hot steel drum) it has poor availability and is a fairly poor ingredient. If it has been spray dried under low heat - it is an excellent ingredient.

High quality fish meal is the gold standard - it has the best Amino acid profile for fish (fish protein to grow fish protein)and is highly digestible. Further, it tastes great to fish (fish meal based diets are much more palatable to carnivorous fish) and it contains about 10% fish oil (high in omega 3 polyunsaturated fatty acids). Many other proteins can be used as long as they are formulated properly into an overall dietary amino acid profile.


Just depends on what warm water fish you are feeding and what results you desire. For instance, when grown at 80 F, fingerling Hybrid Striped Bass growth varied significantly, depending on both type and content of dietary protein and content of fat. Catfish formulations are plant based, while good trout/salmon formulations are animal based (preferably fish based). Strictly carnivorous fish do not do as well on plant-protein based diets. Below, diets are described in terms of Protein/fat, so a 40/10 is 40% protein and 10% fat (the OLD reliable trout diet).

36/8 (plant based)... 280% Weight Gain X
42/4 (plant based)....347% " 1.24X
35/10 (fish based)....432% " 1.54X
44/8 (fish based)....487% " 1.74X
55/15 (fish based)....650% " 2.32X**

It is important to note that all of these diets were high quality, they were just designed for different purposes and vary greatly in cost. For instance the 36/8 is designed for channel catfish fingerlings and the 55/15 is designed for Atlantic Salmon fingerlings. The 55/15 may cost 4 times as much as the plant based 36, so the economics are certainly arguable... just depends.

**Additionally, the ultra high growth on the 55/15 should be taken with a grain of salt as it resulted in obese fish (HSB very efficiently lay down dietary fat in their abdominal cavity), indeed the whole-body fat of HSB fed the 55/15 was 62% greater than that of the fish fed the 42/4.



Well, today I see that Yahoo has a story on the importance of omega 3 fatty acids for us humans. For most of us, the source is fish - salmon, tuna, sardines, etc. I have not seen the data - but, for winter survival, the idea is that fish oil is a fluid. This enhance membrane fluidity. This is often cited as a reason for the role of PUFAs with brain function/development. When the water gets cold, the fish get cold. Therefore, it stands to reason that these fats benefit the animals in cold conditions. If the overall fatty acid profile has too much saturated fat, their fat reserves will solidify in cold water - like tallow in cold water. These PUFAs are important in many other aspects besides the physical properties....

Predatory fish get these fats from the smaller fish they consume. They do not synthesize the long chain PUFAs. The source is from algae and these fats are passed on to algae-eating zooplankton and fish and move up the food chain. Menhaden are excellent sources of the omega 3 PUFAs, because they are fatty fish and about 25% of their fatty acids are the long chain PUFAs. So, in a prepared diet, you need either a significant amount of certain marine algaes, or fish oil or meal (approximately 10% of fish meal is fish oil - as a side note... this is because fish meal is mechanically expressed, so it does not get all the fat out. In solvent-extracted meals - such as soybean meal - there is vurtually no fat left).

The Performance Bass Blend – 9mm is slightly smaller than 3/8" pellets, so I would like to know if any of you with TX Hunter feeders will "without binding issues" be successful using it. Thanks

I used the 9mm winter food that Optimal put out and it did require adjustments to the spin plate. Easy to do and not very time consuming. Opening that gap, even a little bit, equals big difference in the amount of food thrown which will likely require adjusting the number of seconds you are actually putting out food. Definitely worth checking after you have it in the feeder IMO.

I still have a bag of the winter food left and my plan is to burn it up in the warmer temps this spring when the fish are super active. I'll either be hand throwing or mixing it in with the MVP we are feeding with now.