Pond Boss Forums MANAGING AN EXISTING POND Corrective stocking Recovering from a fish kill (LMB)

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jpsdad, not one single person here needs to prove anything to you, nor do you have any valid role of 'fact-checking' any other professional's comments on this forum as you have no pond management experience, let alone pond ownership experience. You have been specifically counseled on this before in private; this is your second, and final warning.

Quoting the likes of Bob Lusk or Dave Beasley does not lend credence to anything you're trying to state as 'facts,' especially when Bob and Dave would only tell anyone that 'it all depends.'

An important rule of posting here is like that of a Physican, do no harm with your advice.

Sure get tired of the bickering, can see why people don’t stay…..

Through the years I have posted number of threads that have introduced controversial ideas on topics of fish. These have certainly been a disruption and they do create problems. They often interfere with advice the Mods are giving. It has been a source of aggravation for them and many of the Mods would have had me silenced long ago. That I have been allowed to introduce those controversial ideas for so long, I think, says a whole lot. I appreciate that there has been tolerance from the powers that be to allow it. The controversial ideas I have posted through the years were intended to create interest, conversation, and learning that can augment the many valuable years of experience that are shared here.

As Sunil noted in my deleted post, I don't manage ponds for a living. Locally, I don't have a private pond that I can exercise full control of. The one pond I do have is located 4.5 hours away. So yes, I cannot offer advice derived from such experience. The forum has done a really good job of answering most of my questions. Where I couldn't get answers, I have sought to learn from scientific research. One thing I would like for people to understand is that information corroborating commonly held ideas have no value to mention. We know that already so to speak. My predicament is that if learn something worth mentioning, it will be, by necessity, controversial and sourced to scientific research. In that sense, all I can contribute is new, different, and likely to be disagreed with by a majority. Only those who fact check me by reading the sources could settle their minds on agreement. Anyways, the bargain we struck was to back up those posts with the source of the information and I have done my level best to meet my part of that bargain.

In the deleted post I mentioned that we need to move on. I agree with Pat that the bickering should stop and I agree that the controversial ideas I present encourage disagreement and bickering. I will own my responsibility for that and I question whether the environment is conducive to us all finding benefit. That we are not able to have conversations around these ideas without this kind of discourse is a very good reason to stop doing it. To that end, I will not post anything that might be interpreted as contradiction going forward.

Pat, as long as I am welcome here I'll be around. What I contribute is definitely going to change. Expect attaboys and waytogos. I want you to know I appreciate your friendship and that I'll always have a ear for anything you might like to discuss. This applies to any who have befriended me.

I looked for it, but couldn't find it. There have been times where disagreement was actually accepted. My reference to this is an old post and the discussion was relating to fall stocking of LMB which everybody was on board with until Greg Grimes chimed in and disagreed with the consensus. Greg's point, if I remember the post correctly, was that the difference between fall and spring stocking was that spring LMB have not lost potential growth of their counterparts in the fall, and that the fall LMB many times are housed in overly crowded scenarios and potentially not optimal food quantities.

For my personal pond I like to have more than one opinion to choose from or mix a couple of opinions that I like from multiple sources. If the standard is that no two ponds are alike, even if they are 10' apart, how can all of the plans and opinions be the same. I, as a rookie, don't see the different opinions as bad at all. Think about Swingle for a moment. His research was accepted nationally if not internationally, and if nobody ever challenged him we'd all be stocking at 10:1 ratios to this day. Nothing wrong with 10:1 unless it doesn't meet your personal goals for the pond or lake.
What about the acceptance of TP, GSH, or RBT as extra forage for the pond, feeding fish pellets, training fish to eat pellets.....the list is endless.....

Lastly, I use both sides of the experience and projection from proposed data in planning for my pond. Part of it is that I'm new and lack experience, some of it is that by trying to map it out early I get to test my hypothesis, and lastly that I really enjoy it. I have found JPS's data on forward looking forage consumption annually valuable and I've also found advice from the pond pros around here very helpful as well. Had it not been for both pro and projection of forage needs, stocking needs I would have likely called the hatchery and had them stock whatever the heck they thought was right. I'm happy both were available to me personally. I thank you all, from the novices like me, to the non-pro, and the pro, for every bit of help and guidance you have provided.

Thanks you jpsdad for all your input over the years. I appreciate your honesty, forthrightness, and scientific approach. You've got my respect.
Roger

For what it’s worth, I see a benefit in different opinions and would encourage participants to make their feelings known in a polite, business like, manner.

Agreeing to disagree is a democracy. Different opinions are important in intelligent discussions.