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ID? Was suggested it's a hybrid... #568101 06/23/24 05:00 PM
Joined: Mar 2017 Posts: 498 Likes: 129 Kansas C catscratch OP
OP catscratch C Joined: Mar 2017 Posts: 498 Likes: 129 Kansas	I was told this might be a GSF x BG hybrid. I've never stocked this pond and to my knowledge it hasn't been stocked. Always assumed they were just big green sunfish. Not sure about the possibility of natural hybrids happening. What days you guys? Attached Images 19 acre watershed pond LMB, BC/WC, Bluegill, Crawfish, GShiners

Re: ID? Was suggested it's a hybrid... catscratch #568105 06/23/24 06:24 PM
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 16,373 Likes: 363 Hurst & Bowie, Texas D Dave Davidson1 Moderator Lunker
Dave Davidson1 Moderator Lunker D Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 16,373 Likes: 363 Hurst & Bowie, Texas	I have the same fish and just assume all mutts are green sunfish in my ponds. It's not about the fish. It's about the pond. Take care of the pond and the fish will be fine. PB subscriber since before it was in color. Without a sense of urgency, Nothing ever gets done. Boy, if I say "sic em", you'd better look for something to bite. Sam Shelley Rancher and Farmer Muleshoe Texas 1892-1985 RIP Grandpa
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Re: ID? Was suggested it's a hybrid... catscratch #568110 06/23/24 11:06 PM
Joined: Nov 2023 Posts: 583 Likes: 159 Wellsville, KS B Boondoggle
Boondoggle B Joined: Nov 2023 Posts: 583 Likes: 159 Wellsville, KS	That squarish body type sure looks like Green Sunfish to me. 1.5acre LMB, YP, BG, RES, GSH, Seasonal Tilapia I subscribe to Pond Boss Magazine

Re: ID? Was suggested it's a hybrid... catscratch #568126 06/24/24 12:03 PM
Joined: May 2011 Posts: 1,849 Likes: 50 Central Oklahoma J jludwig
jludwig J Joined: May 2011 Posts: 1,849 Likes: 50 Central Oklahoma	I reference the location of the jaw hinge for identifying bluegills vs green sunfish.

Re: ID? Was suggested it's a hybrid... catscratch #568127 06/24/24 12:22 PM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 14,170 Likes: 401 Somerset, PA Sunil Moderator Ambassador Field Correspondent Hall of Fame 2014 Lunker
Sunil Moderator Ambassador Field Correspondent Hall of Fame 2014 Lunker Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 14,170 Likes: 401 Somerset, PA	I was under the impression that a green sunfish was a more longer than taller sunfish, more like a warmouth or rock bass. This picture looks more like a hybrid than a GSF to me. Excerpt from Robert Crais' "The Monkey's Raincoat:" "She took another microscopic bite of her sandwich, then pushed it away. Maybe she absorbed nutrients from her surroundings."

Re: ID? Was suggested it's a hybrid... catscratch #568135 06/24/24 04:45 PM
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Re: ID? Was suggested it's a hybrid... catscratch #568144 06/24/24 07:28 PM
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OP catscratch C Joined: Mar 2017 Posts: 498 Likes: 129 Kansas	Thanks! 19 acre watershed pond LMB, BC/WC, Bluegill, Crawfish, GShiners

Re: ID? Was suggested it's a hybrid... catscratch #568147 06/24/24 09:11 PM
Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 15,529 Likes: 1236 Northwest Ohio - Malinta OH B Bill Cody Moderator Ambassador Field Correspondent Lunker
Bill Cody Moderator Ambassador Field Correspondent Lunker B Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 15,529 Likes: 1236 Northwest Ohio - Malinta OH	Yes I agree with Sunil and ewest hybrid bluegill. It could be a 2nd or 3rd generation of hybrid bluegill. Hybrid bluegill do reproduce, just not as prolifically as BG. Definitely not a true or regular green sunfish. aka Pond Doctor & Dr. Perca Read Pond Boss Magazine - America's Journal of Pond Management
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Re: ID? Was suggested it's a hybrid... catscratch #568149 06/24/24 09:38 PM
Joined: Nov 2023 Posts: 583 Likes: 159 Wellsville, KS B Boondoggle
Boondoggle B Joined: Nov 2023 Posts: 583 Likes: 159 Wellsville, KS	I was more commenting on the body style being more similar to the Green Sunfish than the BG if I was misunderstood. Green Sunfish are more blocky or square vs the more round nature of the BG. No dispute that it is some sort of a cross. Attached Images 1.5acre LMB, YP, BG, RES, GSH, Seasonal Tilapia I subscribe to Pond Boss Magazine
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Re: ID? Was suggested it's a hybrid... Boondoggle #568161 06/25/24 07:06 AM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 14,344 Likes: 408 Central Ohio Theo Gallus Moderator Lunker
Theo Gallus Moderator Lunker Joined: May 2004 Posts: 14,344 Likes: 408 Central Ohio	Originally Posted by Boondoggle Green Sunfish are more blocky or square vs the more round nature of the BG. I would say GSF are more fusiform, which is a $2 Bruce Condello word. "Live like you'll die tomorrow, but manage your grass like you'll live forever." -S. M. Stirling
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Re: ID? Was suggested it's a hybrid... catscratch #568395 07/03/24 05:57 AM
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SENKOSAM S Joined: Jul 2016 Posts: 76 Likes: 16 WALDEN, N.Y.	The Green Sunfish has a thick body and large mouth, more closely related to bass than to other species of sunfish.The fins have a yellow tinge on fin edges like the one shown in Boondoggle's photo.

Re: ID? Was suggested it's a hybrid... SENKOSAM #568405 07/03/24 07:15 AM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 14,344 Likes: 408 Central Ohio Theo Gallus Moderator Lunker
Theo Gallus Moderator Lunker Joined: May 2004 Posts: 14,344 Likes: 408 Central Ohio	Originally Posted by SENKOSAM The Green Sunfish ... more closely related to bass than to other species of sunfish. Incorrect. Green Sunfish, Bluegills, Redears, Pumpkinseeds, and several other sunfish are all members of the same Genus, Lepomis. This is why they can interbreed so easily and produce fertile hybrids. Largemouth, Smallmouth, and the other Black Bass are members of a different Genus, Micropterus. "Live like you'll die tomorrow, but manage your grass like you'll live forever." -S. M. Stirling

Re: ID? Was suggested it's a hybrid... Theo Gallus #568407 07/03/24 07:55 AM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 14,170 Likes: 401 Somerset, PA Sunil Moderator Ambassador Field Correspondent Hall of Fame 2014 Lunker
Sunil Moderator Ambassador Field Correspondent Hall of Fame 2014 Lunker Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 14,170 Likes: 401 Somerset, PA	Originally Posted by Theo Gallus Originally Posted by SENKOSAM The Green Sunfish ... more closely related to bass than to other species of sunfish. Incorrect. Green Sunfish, Bluegills, Redears, Pumpkinseeds, and several other sunfish are all members of the same Genus, Lepomis. This is why they can interbreed so easily and produce fertile hybrids. Largemouth, Smallmouth, and the other Black Bass are members of a different Genus, Micropterus. Many may not recall, but this is coming from a guy who's custom license plate is "LEPOMIS." Excerpt from Robert Crais' "The Monkey's Raincoat:" "She took another microscopic bite of her sandwich, then pushed it away. Maybe she absorbed nutrients from her surroundings."
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Re: ID? Was suggested it's a hybrid... catscratch #568508 07/07/24 10:00 PM
Joined: Jul 2016 Posts: 76 Likes: 16 WALDEN, N.Y. S SENKOSAM
SENKOSAM S Joined: Jul 2016 Posts: 76 Likes: 16 WALDEN, N.Y.	So these statements are incorrect? Quote Officially, the largemouth bass is known by the scientific name of Micropterus salmoides. It is a species of black bass (genus Micropterus), which includes smallmouth and spotted bass and is in the sunfish family (Centrarchidae), which include bluegill sunfish and crappie. Quote Smallmouth bass belong to the sunfish family (Centrarchidae), which also includes bluegill sunfish, spotted bass, crappie and largemouth bass. Last edited by SENKOSAM; 07/07/24 10:09 PM.

Re: ID? Was suggested it's a hybrid... catscratch #568515 07/08/24 07:04 AM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 14,344 Likes: 408 Central Ohio Theo Gallus Moderator Lunker
Theo Gallus Moderator Lunker Joined: May 2004 Posts: 14,344 Likes: 408 Central Ohio	What was incorrect was that GSF are more closely related to LMB or SMB than they are to members of their own Genus. Which is what I stated. "Live like you'll die tomorrow, but manage your grass like you'll live forever." -S. M. Stirling

Re: ID? Was suggested it's a hybrid... catscratch #568553 07/09/24 01:10 PM
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ewest Moderator Hall of Fame 2014 Lunker E Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 21,732 Likes: 378 Miss.	Sunfish (Centrarchid Fishes) genetics - Pond Boss Forum https://forums.pondboss.com/ubbthre...Centrarchidae&Search=true#Post449213 Last edited by ewest; 07/09/24 01:13 PM.

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