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Hello all!

This is my first thread on this forum so thanks for any advice y'all are able to provide. About 5 years ago my family acquired a 25 acre private lake, a former irrigation reservoir. The lake is located in west Arkansas. I believe its about 20 feet at the deepest but probably 10-12 acres of it is 15' or more. There is little structure throughout the lake and the water is also relatively clear. It is fed by two small creeks that don't connect to any other bodies of water. To my knowledge, it currently contains largemouth bass, bluegill, redear, green sunfish, and crappie. The lake was home to large catfish decades ago but I believe these to have been killed off long before we owned the property.

The bass are very overpopulated, 99.9% of them being 9-13" or so. It is so overpopulated to the extent that two friends and I on multiple occasions have caught over 100 bass (which we removed) in about a 3 hour time span from a boat. All the bream we catch are hand-sized. The crappie, which we rarely catch, are all in the 13-15" range. For example, the other day we fished it and caught 90 to 100 bass. All of which were in that small size range except for one amazing outlier which we weighed at 7#.

While its fun to catch the bass in such numbers, I would like to manage the lake to be more balanced, with a larger size range of bass and more crappie and bream. I would also like to introduce catfish to the lake. Last week I put several channels and two large blue catfish in there. My hope is that the introduction of more large catfish may somehow be able to help regulate the bass population. I would also like to introduce shad to the lake because its baitfish population is severely lacking.

What would be the best way to slowly turn it into a more balanced fishery with decently sized bass, more crappie, and the occasional catfish? Would it be harmful to add flathead catfish and more blue catfish in addition to channel catfish? Are there any other baitfish species I could add that would help significantly? Even if its just as many bluegill as I can catch?

Assuming I am able to establish a growing shad population in the lake, would their presence noticeably benefit the game fish within a year or two? To my knowledge, the best thing I can do to achieve these goals is to keep removing as many of the little bass as I can.

Would adding a number of larger bass from other ponds help by mixing up the gene pool or anything? Or even act as another larger predator to keep the stunted bass in check?

I am open to fertilizing the lake so long as its relatively economical, but my knowledge of fertilizers is next to zero. Also, I don't want to poison the lake and restart.

Attached is a satellite image of the lake in question. Any thoughts, advice, and recommendations y'all can give me are very much appreciated!

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I would start with the basics. Keep ripping lips on the LMB (measure the length and weight) of the fish you are catching and track it. Over time you will be able to see your progress relating to relative weights.
....One thing you might keep in mind on the LMB. Without much habitat or structure they are going to make a living as marathon runners. Not many chunky marathon runners I've ever seen. Ambush opportunities from habitat will greatly help them on both successful captures at lower caloric output.

Before doing anything on fertilizer you will need to see what the water quality is. You can buy a pool test kit or take a sample and send it off to a water testing facility. You really want one that has the capability to look at it in comparison to aquaculture imo. I've used Texas A&M twice. Several of the universities have testing like this.

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Welcome to Pond Boss!!!

Like Boondoogle says, you are on a good path. Aggressively culling LMB is a huge part of the plan, and introducing some new LMB genetics could also be a benefit. For culling, you could start with a benchmark # of LMB/Acre for removal. 100-200 LMB/acre is a good bit of work over 25 acres, but it's those kind of numbers that will give a faster result.

On a side note, when 'bucket-stocking,' or taking fish from one body of water to another, those fish don't always thrive in their new homes.

Adding some new bluegill genetics could also help.

Enhancing fish structure is an ongoing task.

Finally, introducing a feed program may help.


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A large flathead will eat anything that fits in his mouth, including large bass.


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As I read the OP, I was thinking the same as RossC. A large flathead or blue will eat a large bluegill / bass / etc. Not sure I'd want to add those. In fact, I'd be trying to catch those two blues to yank back out.


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Apost, if you are able to remove 5000 LMB next year I will send you a crisp $100 bill wink.

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While its fun to catch the bass in such numbers, I would like to manage the lake to be more balanced, with a larger size range of bass and more crappie and bream. I would also like to introduce catfish to the lake. Last week I put several channels and two large blue catfish in there. My hope is that the introduction of more large catfish may somehow be able to help regulate the bass population. I would also like to introduce shad to the lake because its baitfish population is severely lacking.

You are blessed with a nice body of water. Its not too eutrophic and there is enough acreage to make a wonderful fishery without changing anything but how it is fished and harvested. Fix the LMB population and your LMB will find a balance that fits the production of forage the lake currently makes. Just my opinion, but I do not think shad will fix the undersize bass problem and could make matters worse.


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What would be the best way to slowly turn it into a more balanced fishery with decently sized bass, more crappie, and the occasional catfish? Would it be harmful to add flathead catfish and more blue catfish in addition to channel catfish? Are there any other baitfish species I could add that would help significantly? Even if its just as many bluegill as I can catch?

So I can really appreciate the words "slowly turn it into a more balanced fishery". It would take time. There are two aspects to managing a population. One is recruitment while the other is mortality. When the two are balanced you have a stable population. But lets say you recruit 3 LMB/acre each year at around 12" by fin clipping, and the kill everything else you can catch up to 20 lbs per acre that is not fin clipped, then after 6 years you will have somewhere in the neighborhood of 15 LMB/acre that are fin clipped. The average weight of that fin clipped population will depend on a couple of things. One is the production of consumed forage that your lake makes annually while the other is how much of that production was consumed by LMB that were not fin clipped but are still surviving and competing with your selected recruits. All that is certain, is that this approach will lead to better growth and condition of the lake's LMB. Hopefully, it will become much more difficult or even not possible to fill the 20 lbs/acre quota with smaller LMB.

The only other baitfish I might consider for this were it mine would be TP annually and only then if the budget made sense to me. You have enough water to have a lot of nice fish. Increasing the production of forage will also increase the number of LMB you will need to cull. If that isn't something you want to do, consider working with native fertility and your current mix of prey species.

IMO, you don't need more BG. Reducing the number of them may actually increase the production of consumable BG forage. Were this lake mine, I would concentrate on the LMB. It will have the most effect for the least effort and expense.

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Assuming I am able to establish a growing shad population in the lake, would their presence noticeably benefit the game fish within a year or two? To my knowledge, the best thing I can do to achieve these goals is to keep removing as many of the little bass as I can.

The second sentence! That is what is required.

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Would adding a number of larger bass from other ponds help by mixing up the gene pool or anything? Or even act as another larger predator to keep the stunted bass in check?

IMO, no. If the lake supported bass like that then they would already be there. When a big bass is moved to different water they have to compete with other bass of the same size. The population is in balance before the transfer and so when a big bass is moved into new water it causes an imbalance or shortfall of forage for itself and other peers. If there are no peers, even worse, that big fish will starve. IMO, not a good idea. What you want to do is transform the lake into one that produces big bass on its own.

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I am open to fertilizing the lake so long as its relatively economical, but my knowledge of fertilizers is next to zero. Also, I don't want to poison the lake and restart.

If you do not want to increase the amount of culling you will need to do, then consider not doing anything to fertilize the lake. The lake's fertility is slowly increasing over time anyway. Just based on your comments above, your lake already supports a respectable biomass of LMB.


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