Pond Boss Magazine
https://www.pondboss.com/images/userfiles/image/20130301193901_6_150by50orangewhyshouldsubscribejpeg.jpg
Advertisment
Newest Members
Wallaman, antscozz, Bowhunter2004, Thomas7, tynpond
18,551 Registered Users
Forum Statistics
Forums36
Topics41,037
Posts558,753
Members18,551
Most Online3,612
Jan 10th, 2023
Top Posters
esshup 28,623
ewest 21,520
Cecil Baird1 20,043
Bill Cody 15,166
Who's Online Now
1 members (Boondoggle), 284 guests, and 494 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Joined: Apr 2019
Posts: 202
Likes: 5
N
nvcdl Offline OP
OP Offline
N
Joined: Apr 2019
Posts: 202
Likes: 5
I'm seeing some success in my pond (1 3/4-2ac). I've removed most of the Black Crappie - saw none in usual spawning spots this spring - maybe because bass seemed to start spawning in April and took over all the usual spots. I caught maybe 20 - most small from last years spawn. Previous years I'd catch a dozen or more nice ones on a good day during the spawn. My goal was to remove the crappie as they seemed to be having a negative effect on the bass fishing with not much recruitment and mostly low RW fish.

I've removed 25 bass - mostly all the males guarding spawning sites. Seemed to have thinned out most of the under 14" bass. Last week I caught a 4'10oz bass on a BG shaped swim bait and today I caught a chunky 4lb bass on a frog.

One thing I've noticed this year is that there is a LOT more bass fry - have a massive school of thousands of them hanging out around some structure I placed in the deep end. I'm a bit concerned I might have an explosion of small bass once these grow up.

Seem to have a lot of good size BG - not so many smaller ones which is one reason I decided to thin out the little bass. I have a pair of 2lb bass that hang out under my dock that I feed. They opportunistically started eating BG I would trap and move from a small pond on the property. Lately I've been feeding them frozen crappie that I chop up into smaller pieces. When the crappie were biting they would also eats 6-7" crappie that I'd cripple and throw to them.

I'm wondering if my remaining bass will do enough to remove this years bass crop or if I will have to go after them in the fall with an ultralight?

Last edited by nvcdl; 05/30/23 08:41 PM.
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 3,501
Likes: 628
F
Lunker
Offline
Lunker
F
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 3,501
Likes: 628
Little bass are very well shaped to fit into the mouth of slightly larger bass.

I think the early hatchers and "jumpers" in your numerous new crop of bass will thin out the numbers somewhat of the little bass. As that entire class gets larger, then the bigger bass will start doing their share.

OTOH, culling a few bass on ultralight tackle never hurt anybody! grin

1 member likes this: anthropic
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 3,865
Likes: 298
A
Offline
A
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 3,865
Likes: 298
nvcdl, crappie typically spawn first so their YOY eat later YOY BG and LMB. Thus, you will likely have greater LMB YOY survival once crappie are knocked down. Harvest!


7ac 2015 CNBG RES FHM 2016 TP FLMB 2017 NLMB GSH L 2018 TP & 70 HSB PK 2019 TP RBT 2020 TFS TP 25 HSB 250 F1,L,RBT -206 2021 TFS TP GSH L,-312 2022 GSH TP CR TFS RBT -234, 2023 BG TP TFS NLMB, -160




1 member likes this: jludwig
Joined: Apr 2019
Posts: 202
Likes: 5
N
nvcdl Offline OP
OP Offline
N
Joined: Apr 2019
Posts: 202
Likes: 5
Originally Posted by anthropic
nvcdl, crappie typically spawn first so their YOY eat later YOY BG and LMB. Thus, you will likely have greater LMB YOY survival once crappie are knocked down. Harvest!

I've heard this theory that the crappie fry eat bass fry but I've never seen clouds of crappie fry attack bass fry. I suspect that it it older crappie who feed on bass fry and knock the schools down fast. When I first got this pond I'd estimate there were 300 or more 7" -9" crappie in it and I can see why bass recruitment was minimal.

Last edited by nvcdl; 06/01/23 12:41 PM.
1 member likes this: anthropic
Joined: Apr 2019
Posts: 202
Likes: 5
N
nvcdl Offline OP
OP Offline
N
Joined: Apr 2019
Posts: 202
Likes: 5
Noticed my first two clouds of bass fry today with the males hovering nearby. They must have hatched over the last few days as before that the males were guarding the eggs - last few days the males have been in area but off the nest.

Seemed like the bass spawned earlier than the remaining crappie this year - last week the crappie seemed to be in spawning mode and I caught one 10" and about 7 small crappie - since then no more crappie have hit.

I've pulled out 10 small bass so far this year. The bass seem to be doing pretty good - went bass fishing a few days ago with tube lure and caught 6 - a 4lb, 3lb, a couple in the 14" range and a couple 10" ones that I removed from the pond. I'd like to see them get chunkier as they are not super fat.

1 member likes this: FishinRod
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 13,787
Likes: 307
Moderator
Ambassador
Field Correspondent
Hall of Fame 2014
Lunker
Offline
Moderator
Ambassador
Field Correspondent
Hall of Fame 2014
Lunker
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 13,787
Likes: 307
Nice report!

Any idea how long the 4lb bass was??


Excerpt from Robert Crais' "The Monkey's Raincoat:"
"She took another microscopic bite of her sandwich, then pushed it away. Maybe she absorbed nutrients from her surroundings."

Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 28,623
Likes: 869
Moderator
Ambassador
Field Correspondent
Lunker
Offline
Moderator
Ambassador
Field Correspondent
Lunker
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 28,623
Likes: 869
A way to quickly limit some of the bass in the pond is catch and remove the male that is guarding the school of bass fry. Then most of the unprotected fry will get eaten. which will help you 1-3 years down the road.


www.hoosierpondpros.com


http://www.pondboss.com/subscribe.asp?c=4
3/4 to 1 1/4 ac pond LMB, SMB, PS, BG, RES, CC, YP, Bardello BG, (RBT & Blue Tilapia - seasonal).
2 members like this: ewest, FishinRod
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 3,501
Likes: 628
F
Lunker
Offline
Lunker
F
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 3,501
Likes: 628
I am NOT a Relative Weight guy, but these are my fishing observations.

A female LMB right before the spawn is at her largest RW of the year (obviously). The males right after they have been guarding the nest for an extended period may be at their skinniest for the year.

I am not positive that RW measurements taken at this time of year are necessarily indicative of the health of the bass population.

(All of the more knowledgeable people feel free to correct me or expand on this comment.)

Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 21,520
Likes: 272
E
Moderator
Hall of Fame 2014
Lunker
Offline
Moderator
Hall of Fame 2014
Lunker
E
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 21,520
Likes: 272
Originally Posted by FishinRod
...A female LMB right before the spawn is at her largest RW of the year (obviously). The males right after they have been guarding the nest for an extended period may be at their skinniest for the year.

I am not positive that RW measurements taken at this time of year are necessarily indicative of the health of the bass population.

Exactly correct. RW is a good tool but understanding its limitations is important.
















Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 21,520
Likes: 272
E
Moderator
Hall of Fame 2014
Lunker
Offline
Moderator
Hall of Fame 2014
Lunker
E
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 21,520
Likes: 272
Originally Posted by esshup
A way to quickly limit some of the bass in the pond is catch and remove the male that is guarding the school of bass fry. Then most of the unprotected fry will get eaten. which will help you 1-3 years down the road.

You don't even have to catch the male - just run it off the nest for a hour. You can also pull a seine through the spawning area which will decrease fry substantially.
















Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 3,501
Likes: 628
F
Lunker
Offline
Lunker
F
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 3,501
Likes: 628
Originally Posted by ewest
Originally Posted by esshup
A way to quickly limit some of the bass in the pond is catch and remove the male that is guarding the school of bass fry. Then most of the unprotected fry will get eaten. which will help you 1-3 years down the road.

You don't even have to catch the male - just run it off the nest for a hour. You can also pull a seine through the spawning area which will decrease fry substantially.

Very interesting! I don't recall anyone previously offering that tidbit of wisdom.

Could you achieve the same results from your boat? I am envisioning a boom out of the side with a weighted net, perhaps even cut at an angle to match the average slope of the pond.

If you made two circuits of the pond and then did it again about 3-5 days later, I bet you could significantly disrupt a lot of spawning beds and clouds of protected fry. It really would not be that much effort - as long as all of your brush piles and artificial cover were clearly marked.

I think that would work in an overpopulated and stunted LMB pond. Severely reducing the numbers in one year-class of bass would help both the older bass and certainly help the subsequent year class.

The most common overpopulation problem mentioned on Pond Boss is crappie in a smallish pond. Any chance a pond owner could both successfully time and then disrupt the crappie spawn?

Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 16,078
Likes: 281
D
Moderator
Lunker
Online Content
Moderator
Lunker
D
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 16,078
Likes: 281
According to Lusk, about 95 percent of all the eggs laid never get old enough to spawn. They get eaten. But, there a lot of eggs.


It's not about the fish. It's about the pond. Take care of the pond and the fish will be fine. PB subscriber since before it was in color.

Without a sense of urgency, Nothing ever gets done.

Boy, if I say "sic em", you'd better look for something to bite. Sam Shelley Rancher and Farmer Muleshoe Texas 1892-1985 RIP
Joined: Apr 2019
Posts: 202
Likes: 5
N
nvcdl Offline OP
OP Offline
N
Joined: Apr 2019
Posts: 202
Likes: 5
I'm not that concerned with the fry. I've noticed that in my pond the young bass tend to school up on structure I've placed in the pond. Had thousands swimming around last summer but I suspect the bass, big bluegills and remaining few crappie ate most of them as I'm not seeing an over abundance of small bass.

If I catch a male bass and it is is under 14" or super skinny I pull them out but I've notice the ones guarding fry don't seem interested in hitting lures.

My pond doesn't have a lot of shallow areas - slopes tend to drop quickly so I think there may be a shortage of good spawning areas for the BG. Last couple years I've had heavy algae blooms that may make it hard for the BG to spawn in deeper water as I believe they need some light. In prior couple years the water stayed fairly clear in winter and I had a lot of FA that would cause a big bloom once it died as the water warmed up. This winter I noticed that the water visibility stayed around 4' or so and I didn't get much FA. Currently the visibility is about 2.5 - 3.5' depending on sunlight/rain. I'm hoping the pond is stabilizing.


I had 1500 1-2" BG added a couple weeks ago to help get the forage increased. I think I have wiped out most if not all of the crappie. I'd like to get some more forage in the pond. Have not had luck getting shiners to stick around and breed. I'm wondering if I should try adding some threadfin shad if I can find a source.

Last edited by nvcdl; 04/27/24 03:57 PM.

Link Copied to Clipboard
Today's Birthdays
There are no members with birthdays on this day.
Recent Posts
Mowing dam and pond edges
by lafarmpondguy - 05/28/24 04:01 AM
Tilapia with Winterkill
by Boondoggle - 05/28/24 12:56 AM
Another hybrid
by Snipe - 05/27/24 11:27 PM
Floating platform - barrels or floats?
by esshup - 05/27/24 11:14 PM
Muck remover and aeration
by esshup - 05/27/24 11:09 PM
Dock width suggestions
by Nolan - 05/27/24 09:03 PM
Ideal food/pellet size?
by Boondoggle - 05/27/24 06:56 PM
Spillway Design Help - East Texas
by FishinRod - 05/27/24 02:58 PM
Dock Addition!
by esshup - 05/27/24 02:08 PM
Dirt swells or artificial cover?
by ewest - 05/27/24 01:54 PM
Help,BG Dying, 1 a day
by ewest - 05/27/24 01:49 PM
Spillway recovery from record rains
by sroane - 05/27/24 10:16 AM
Newly Uploaded Images
Eagles Over The Pond Yesterday
Eagles Over The Pond Yesterday
by Tbar, December 10
Deer at Theo's 2023
Deer at Theo's 2023
by Theo Gallus, November 13
Minnow identification
Minnow identification
by Mike Troyer, October 6
Sharing the Food
Sharing the Food
by FishinRod, September 9
Nice BGxRES
Nice BGxRES
by Theo Gallus, July 28
Snake Identification
Snake Identification
by Rangersedge, July 12

� 2014 POND BOSS INC. all rights reserved USA and Worldwide

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5