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Nice!

It is certainly beneficial to have your hawgs NOT get hook shy.

What strain of LMB do you have in your pond, and how long ago was the previous time you caught that bass?

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August. I've caught her 3 times. 3 very different sets of conditions, depth, and lures/presentations.

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Sorry. I put 2" f1's in the pond in June. This is obviously not one one those. Northern strain. The pond is from the early 60's and hasn't been managed. I'm somewhat certain that this is the only big fish I currently have. Possibly 1 more.

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I"m glad your trophy LMB didn't die from the prior catch, and I hope he/she lives for many, many more years.

If you value his/her genetics, then your core desire is to put the least possible amount of stress on that fish in any/all activity with it.

One suggestion is to tare your carry bag, and then weigh the fish in the bag. Just less stress overall while still getting the weight.

Whether or not tossing him/her back in the water is best for the fish...who knows?


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Originally Posted by Sunil
One suggestion is to tare your carry bag, and then weigh the fish in the bag. Just less stress overall while still getting the weight.
Bass don't grow as well with a broken jaw.


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Thought about that, but this one has been fine so far. Will weigh the bag next time. Also, why is tossing him back not best for him? You guys live to piss on someone's parade. I agree with the hinge point and weighing him, but I love to fish and I'm not going to eat an 8lb bass. Anything other than throwing him back is retarded.

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I am no fish expert "YET"
I have watched both videos and am curious has to why you put him in a bag, carry him hundreds of feet from the pond, make a 3-4 minute video then put it
back in the pond ? Wouldn't it be much easier on you and the fish to just do a short video right on the ponds edge ? Seems a lot less stressful on the fish that way ?

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Gotta love the Northern strain gals that will continuously strike on artificial baits!

Certainly more fun to CATCH 8# Northern strain than not catch 10# Floridas.

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I had the bag with me at the pond. Basically, the wife was in the house and I wanted a good picture. I drive my truck to the pond. Takes 10 seconds

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Have you people ever fished tournaments? Fish are a little more hearty than you think. This should be a forum for PETA

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We're just here to observe and comment.

You stated that you hope that bass spawns with some of your new bass in the video, so your best case is to stress that fish as little as possible.

Whatever you do, and however you do it, I hope you achieve your goals.


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Thank you. I see your point, but I love to catch fish, especially bigger fish. Hopefully, this is the best of both worlds.

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That LMB in the video is a female. ""Also, why is tossing him back not best for him?" Males do not grow that large. Since you've caught her 3 times on different occasions, she is a slow learner and with some good genetic propensity to not become hook shy as quickly as some many other LMB that experience jaw jerking(angling). Definitely releasing her back into the pond is smart to encourage more reproduction of those angler friendly genetics. IMO the 'posters' comments related to "" then your core desire is to put the least possible amount of stress on that fish in any/all activity with it."" referred to above water stress that can be imparted to the bass by the angler. The larger the LMB(fish) is the older it is. The older the animal becomes the weaker it becomes as it nears its age limit. Thus the more likely it can be overly stressed when out of the water. Various forms of undue stress is what very often prematurely kills all animals including people.

This info is copied from our Archives of LMB Management:
No use injuring or killing your biggest bass needlessly. Treat your biggest bass as a valuable resource. Improper handling will result in premature death of the numbers of bigger bass per acre. Also do your very best to not let the bass lie on the ground. This wipes the slime layer off their body and exposes that area for fungus growth. Anything you do to that bass to remove a portion of its body slime layer will expose this area to growth of fungus which puts a big stress on the bass. The amount of stress can in a week or two later eventually kill this fish.

Previous discussions of correct way to handle large bass
http://forums.pondboss.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=402580

Examples of Bad Handling
http://www.laperlaranchresort.com/fishing1.html

Thread that explains the Proper way to hold big bass for removing hooks or for taking photos
http://forums.pondboss.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=412230#Post412230


Bob Lusk Says About Handling Trophy Fish.
Do Not, under any circumstances, hold a true trophy bass by its lower jaw without supporting its body with your other hand under the rear part of its stomach. By no means, with any bass of any size, ever pull back on the jaw of your fish, as it can become quickly fractured or dislocated. That's usually a death sentence to a big fish. If you don't believe me, ask those who run the ShareLunker program at the Texas Parks & Wildlife Department. Several great specimens were donated to that program last year to spawn and help stock public lakes around the state. But, those gorgeous girls didn't get past angler handling to do what they could do to help many other lakes. They died from bad handling.
From: https://www.bassresource.com/fish_biology/hold-a-fish.html




For your information the value of that 8lb 5oz bass was close to $800.00. Aquatic Environmental Services (Alabama) this Fall was selling big bass for $100 per pound. My advice is be a lot more careful with handling it the next time you catch it so there is a good chance she grows to 9 lbs.

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The holding of the lower lip/jaw hinge is a good point. One I will be more cognizant of in the future. Appreciate the constructive criticism with regards to that.

I am aware that the fish is a female, as males don't typically get anywhere near that size. I just referred to it as "him" in the vid because of a habit. I promise, video aside, I'm not an idiot.

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Originally Posted by shooterlurespond
This should be a forum for PETA
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Originally Posted by shooterlurespond
Have you people ever fished tournaments? Fish are a little more hearty than you think. This should be a forum for PETA

Maybe not - not all fish that die float, and they don't have to die right away.

PETA - People Eating Tasty Animals.


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I'm one of those people who enjoy eating tasty animals! smile Most of us do here but the veggie eaters are welcome too. It just about respect and when one has knowledge it's really hard to watch someone doing what he wouldn't do. You've received some good wisdom here and I think you have also absorbed it. It's all good, your pond is in its sweet spot.

You seem to have very strong opinions and its not that you are wrong but lets just say that you are not entirely correct. As with so many things, the truth is more a blend of black and white than just on or the other. Many waters are ... or at least were ... managed for the production of trophies. And by this I mean that management provided for the taking of very large old fish that had lived an abundant life. The member of the club gets a physical way to remember his accomplishment and the lake afterwards can now support and grow another trophy like it. In water, where one wants to continuously produce trophy fish over decades ... the entire population must be managed and this includes even the very large fish.

It may surprise you that it is easier to grow a fish from 6.5 lbs to 8lbs over 12 months than it is to maintain that 8lb LMB for the next 12 months. By that I mean it takes more forage to maintain the 8lb LMB. On a fixed ration, the pond will support no more standing weight than that ration can maintain. Mortality is essential to growth in cases where the water is supporting this weight of LMB at years end. IOWs there will be no growth (without mortality) because there is only enough food produced to support the year's end standing weight. By the time the standing weight of LMB is what the water can maintain, mortality (or the decline of competing fish) is the only reason individual fish continue to grow. This applies to ALL fish whether big or small. Right now your pond is in its sweet spot ... the time just before competition begins to take its ugly toll. Where will your pond be in 10 years and how soon will you be ready to start from scratch again?

So it is true that it is a huge mistake to over-exploit. One must provide for recruitment into sizes that can grow into trophies and it also includes trophies that have not lived sufficiently long. But it is just as true that populations that are exploited at rates that they can reasonably grow are populations that consistently produce new trophy specimens over time and consist of members which grow well throughout life.


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The pond is past its prime and hasn't been managed at all (yes, alot of it is my negligence). I have only caught 2 keeper fish out of it this year.

I have started to harvest, need to fertilize or lime (depending on tests), add structure, forage, and better genetics. An uphill battle, but I refuse to intentionally harvest an 8lb bass (there are replicas if I wanted one).

The hinge warning is good advice, and I've received other very handy tips from this forum. However, some of the comments are rather simple minded, pessimistic, and so pedantic that the poster has absolutely no sense of humor. It's OK, I still enjoy most of the forum.

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No idea why I started the videos. Just thought they were fun (as I acknowledge they are simple and probably boring to others).

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Originally Posted by shooterlurespond
No idea why I started the videos. Just thought they were fun (as I acknowledge they are simple and probably boring to others).

I was kind of bored this evening and watched almost all of your videos, I believe one could get a better understanding of your excitement from catching that big bass if they knew the back story and your end goal.
I would be the same as you if I pulled a monster out once or twice every few years.
What you are trying to do is a hard undertaking, I was about to do the same thing before Bob Lusk got me in touch with an awesome pond management guy and we decided to eradicate and start over.
Unfortunately from what I have learned over the last 8 months, that big bass is probably doing more harm than good.
I see you have stocked forage a few times and those fish have no chance to reproduce.

Why so many crawfish? I assume that was 25# or more, those things reproduce at an alarming rate, hopefully in the next few years they don’t muddy up the pond too much.

F1’s, Genes, etc. will mean nothing if the fish are never given a chance to grow.

I was given the analogy and it stuck with me from day 1.
Go to McDonald’s and get a #1 for dinner, next time take your wife with you and share that same #1,
Down the road, take your wife and kids with you and share that same meal, eventually you will all be stunted.

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A fish that size has already spawned many times and is getting old.


It's not about the fish. It's about the pond. Take care of the pond and the fish will be fine. PB subscriber since before it was in color.

Without a sense of urgency, Nothing ever gets done.

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Originally Posted by shooterlurespond
The pond is past its prime and hasn't been managed at all (yes, alot of it is my negligence). I have only caught 2 keeper fish out of it this year.

I have started to harvest, need to fertilize or lime (depending on tests), add structure, forage, and better genetics. An uphill battle, but I refuse to intentionally harvest an 8lb bass (there are replicas if I wanted one).

The hinge warning is good advice, and I've received other very handy tips from this forum. However, some of the comments are rather simple minded, pessimistic, and so pedantic that the poster has absolutely no sense of humor. It's OK, I still enjoy most of the forum.

My dad used say to never judge a person until you have walked a mile in their shoes.

Given your situation, I wouldn't remove her either. She isn't experiencing peer competition or compromising the growth of up and comers. Their is no management reason to take her out. It is possible that she is eating enough 6" to 8" LMB to give you a good hand with the culling you need to do. I was only saying ... managing large fish is not retarded when you have a lot of large fish to manage. What is right for your situation isn't right for everyone.

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Yes, I most likely screwed up with the crawfish. First off, he sent me the large ones by mistake, them a free bag of smaller ones. Wish I hadn't put those in.

I don't want to eradicate and start over. Just feels wrong.

Yes, I'm aware that what um doing probably won't work. I just want to try. Maybe if I fertilize more, or get the water in better shape, some of this will take hold. I did harvest some, so hopefully that helps.

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Yes, she is helping me with harvest.

Also, yes she has spawned numerous times, but I would like her to spawn as much as possible while also catching her occasionally if I can.

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