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The problem is marketing. Man don't sell those large ,award winning, world class, hand selected and pellet raised ,genetically improved, PB approved and certified CSBG for $1.08 or $1.10. Those are superior brood stock and should cost more like $5.00 per female and 7.50 per mail.
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Oh Sunil, that's your best one for quite a while!
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These were stocked in Feb. 3-4". web page Bruce, I'm trying to learn this BG thing! This is my first try at a BG pond. Had a jet black male almost take my cane pole away from me. I believe 1 coppernose and a native? Comments appreciated.
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I think the top one is a CNBG based on the width of the bands. Can't tell about the other one.
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To me I'm seeing a male bluegill (top) and a female bluegill (bottom). I can't tell about CNBG without a better side view of the fish.
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This may or not work. Click on pic and a small box with arrows when clicked will enlarge...I hope.
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I don't have a computer this week. Or last week, or next week for that matter. I've been using my wife's when she's not on it because mine has ceased functioning and is in the shop. So if you're sending me an email for anything I won't get it for awhile.
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ahvatsa look at this outstanding thread on CNBG with pics and it should help. It looks like your fish have some orange/light on the fins as well but still can't tell for sure. This thread tells how to check. http://www.pondboss.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=20;t=002562;p=1
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Bruce, I would love to have some of your bluegills but as you elluded to it doesn't sound very practical to Fed Ex them. And driving 22 hours one way is a little much , even if I do have a brand new vehicle to pick them up now (convinced the wife to trade in her Saturn passenger car for a V6 Vue SUV.) I do have some fast growing dishpan shaped bluegills I may hold on to and restock into the big pond as broodstock once I refill it. Or I could get bluegills out of a nearby 800 acre lake that grow the largest in the state and use them for broodstock.
If pigs could fly bacon would be harder to come by and there would be a lot of damaged trees.
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...and Cecil, those crazy guys at Google maps tell me that it's 11 hours and 26 minutes one way. How slow do you drive??
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ewest Yes, that's an "outstanding thread on CNBG"! More info than I can digest in one sitting. In my 4a bass pond I choose to mix native and CNBGs. My plan is to add tilapia next spring, relieving some pressure off BGs, and hopefully grow some footers with time. At this time I will continue feeding...just too much fun watching them attack the feed. Those in the pic posted are supposed to be CNBG and 100 were stocked in a small pond with 4# FHs. That small pond was changed though in June when I had to move 30 CCs to 25" because of dry conditions. I have caught 1...ONE...CC since then. It was 4lbs. on a cricket top water ultra light. Hard to believe they are so hard to catch. Too much food? thanks for the informative link!
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ahvatsa One thing is sure . Whether CNBG or BG they are sure some nice ,fat, healthy looking lepomis. Good work BTW.
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Originally posted by Bruce Condello: ...and Cecil, those crazy guys at Google maps tell me that it's 11 hours and 26 minutes one way. How slow do you drive?? Oops I think alsheimers is setting in! I think what my poor memory did was remember the round trip as the one way distance. Hmmm... doesn't sound so bad after all. However I do know coppernose won't survive up here. Coopernose are overwintering for you there? I was told by a biologist in Arkansas (Malone and Sons) that if they get ice cover they lose them all.
If pigs could fly bacon would be harder to come by and there would be a lot of damaged trees.
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I've never seen a coppernose in my life. What is the farthest north they can survive?
...oh, I'll bet you were looking at "CSBG". That's a term I stole from Theo for "Condello Strain Bluegill". Perhaps I shouldn't dream of giving them a "strain" status. They're really just a coupla generations of good fish. Maybe in twenty years or so, when they're growing to be seven pounds we'll give 'em a name.
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CNBG have about the same range as Fla. LMB. about the north line of Tenn. extended. North of there and they don't do well and north of that they don't survive long.
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Originally posted by Bruce Condello: I've never seen a coppernose in my life. What is the farthest north they can survive?
...oh, I'll bet you were looking at "CSBG". That's a term I stole from Theo for "Condello Strain Bluegill". Perhaps I shouldn't dream of giving them a "strain" status. They're really just a coupla generations of good fish. Maybe in twenty years or so, when they're growing to be seven pounds we'll give 'em a name. Sorry I guess I'm dyslexic too! At least I have a 138 I.Q. to make up for the negatives! (At least that's what one of those online I.Q. tests said!) :p I asked the wife if she thought my I.Q. was that high, and she laughed and said, "I don't think so." I'll keep you posted. Headed on a 26 hour round trip to pick up 100 Canadian strain brook trout in a couple of days. All the way up through lower Michigan, and all the way across the U.P. of Michigan to a hatchery on Lake Superior in Wisconsin. At least I am staying at a friend's house on the way to break it up a little. Won't be able to get browns and bows until next spring probably thanks to the emergency transportation restriction (see appropriate post).
If pigs could fly bacon would be harder to come by and there would be a lot of damaged trees.
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Here's a picture of a Condello strain bluegill that isn't very big. As a matter of fact, he's kind of puny. Basically a piece of doo-doo. Here's a picture of a CSBG that is about average. He's a lot like any bluegill that is 17 weeks old. He might actually be a good one someday. If every thing goes right for him, he'll exceed a pound and put up a good fight. The eye on this fish is the same size as the eye on the next fish. The rest of the body is much smaller. He weighs 12 grams. Here's a picture of a CSBG that is top of the line. He's eating pellets like there's no tomorrow. He weighs close to 40 grams. That's big for that age fish. He represents the top 3 percent of fish from this spawn. Here he is getting weighed in. This one is a monster. He weighs in at a whopping 50 grams. He literally eats some of his brothers and sisters for lunch. He is top 1 percent or better. You couldn't pay me enough money to part with him. He lives in my Morton building. Look how teeny-tiny his eye is. Most fish this age have bigger eyes in relation to their body size. Since he's only 17 weeks, his eye can't keep up with his body. The fish on the right is 66 weeks old. He is angry. He doesn't like the fact that he's being forced to pose with a 2-year-old fish. The one on the left is a good fish, but he's no bigger than the one-year-old on the right.
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Man, you might need to get help.
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Bruce, Back on 10/24 you posted about transporting fish from your place to Cecil. This site may be of some assistance: http://www.ytmag.com/ Look for the "Community" section in the left margin. Click on Hauling Schedule.
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Bruce, for the first time in the fish-crazed portion of my life, I have looked at the picture of a 4" BG and been so impressed I thought "WOW!" And that was the 40g 3 percenter. The 50g BG is just AWESOME!
My wife is right, I am truly obsessed.
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Bruce this is off topic but what breed of dog is this in the picture?
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Thanks Bruce for the pics and explanation. This should help people looking at BG to stock at the hatchery and in assessments at the pond. Try to get/keep the ones with comparatively small heads and eyes and big bodies. Also ask their age.
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I have a neighbor with an uninhabited pond who wanted some CSBG. I brought some examples over to him and stocked the best ones. Would you believe that I barely remember that there was even a dog present? :rolleyes:
When I talk to him again I'll ask what the breed of the dog was. Anybody an expert out there?
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