Pond Boss Magazine
https://www.pondboss.com/images/userfiles/image/20130301193901_6_150by50orangewhyshouldsubscribejpeg.jpg
Advertisment
Newest Members
Midwest, 12footer, aiyueaccent, dennyj622, slumer
17,770 Registered Users
Forum Statistics
Forums36
Topics39,775
Posts541,438
Members17,771
Most Online3,583
Jan 15th, 2020
Top Posters
esshup 26,750
ewest 21,009
Cecil Baird1 20,043
Bill Cody 14,280
Who's Online Now
10 members (anthropic, highflyer, Jackinthabox, Shorty, nehunter, Bigtrh24, KenHorton, RAH, Quarter Acre, Theo Gallus), 276 guests, and 152 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
#546654 04/19/22 10:11 AM
Joined: Jul 2021
Posts: 90
Likes: 29
S
OP Offline
S
Joined: Jul 2021
Posts: 90
Likes: 29
I will be stocking fish next weekend and am hoping I can get the BG and RES fry to eat right away.

I've read some other threads and information here and saw that some people will keep their RES confined while they get them trained.

If I start out with the same feed that the hatchery is feeding them, do you think there is a chance that the RES will eat the feed without having to cage them up in the pond first? If I do have to cage them, I was thinking of putting a hutch I used to raise small chicks in about 2 to 2/12' of water next to my dock. The cage is about 3 1/2' x 2 1/2' and about 2 1/2' tall. Would that be too small for 200 RES fingerlings that are 3-4" long?

I could possibly put some in the cage while allowing others to go free in the pond and just work with a smaller population.

With the bluegill, are they more likely to eat the feed without training and would it be a bad idea to mix some of them in the cage with the RES?

Joined: Oct 2018
Posts: 938
Likes: 178
A
Offline
A
Joined: Oct 2018
Posts: 938
Likes: 178
BG will feed train themselves very quickly. I've found that if I cage one or two BG with the RES during pellet training the RES will catch on a bit quicker than they will otherwise.
The difficulty in pellet training RES is getting them to figure out that pellets are food. I mix chopped fish/nightcrawlers/bugs/liver/etc with hydrated pellets to get them started.
Once they figure it out you can phase meat out of the mix over a week or so, then over the next week you can reduce the amount of hydration until you're feeding only dry pellets. You'll never get all of the RES to eat pellets no matter how hard you try. If you get 80% on pellets you've done well.
I've never started with more than 50, so can't offer good advice on how many will fit in your cage without being crowded, but my gut says 200 3"-4" inch is probably too many.
I think you'll have a very hard time getting their attention if you try this without putting the RES in a cage.

1 member likes this: FishinRod
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 26,750
Likes: 332
Moderator
Ambassador
Field Correspondent
Lunker
Offline
Moderator
Ambassador
Field Correspondent
Lunker
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 26,750
Likes: 332
I've only been able to get approximately 60% of the RES of a certain batch feed trained, using a mixture of Optimal Starter #4 and Optimal BG JR feed. This is in a recirculating system. I agree, throwing a few BG in with them seems to help them figure out that the fish food IS food.


www.hoosierpondpros.com


http://www.pondboss.com/subscribe.asp?c=4
3/4 to 1 1/4 ac pond LMB, SMB, PS, BG, RES, CC, YP, Bardello BG, (RBT & Blue Tilapia - seasonal).
Joined: Jul 2021
Posts: 90
Likes: 29
S
OP Offline
S
Joined: Jul 2021
Posts: 90
Likes: 29
I'm going to try it. It makes me a little nervous boxing the RES up in the shallows but they should be safe from predators as I'll have a top on the cage. The deepest they will be is 2 1/2'. Let me know if you think that's too shallow. I am pretty darn sure we won't be having any more freezes this Spring here although it's been a little colder than average for the majority of days. We are about to enter a warming period at least. I am thinking I will only put a portion in there of the 200 I purchase, maybe 100 with a no more than a dozen bluegill mixed in.

Thanks for all the input you all have given me on the various topics I've posted about. I know I have far more questions than input on the forums but although I've owned my own BOW for 18 years now and it's 40 years old, at least the original was. I'm a novice at working on improving it. For the first 16 years I just let it do its own thing but it got away from me and we drained it two years ago and started over new. I'd like to take control as much as I can this time around.

Joined: Oct 2018
Posts: 1,707
Likes: 212
S
Offline
S
Joined: Oct 2018
Posts: 1,707
Likes: 212
I wouldn't put more than 2-3 BG in there. You need competition to make it work but not so much that the BG clean it up so fast the RES get a limited amount.

Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 26,750
Likes: 332
Moderator
Ambassador
Field Correspondent
Lunker
Offline
Moderator
Ambassador
Field Correspondent
Lunker
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 26,750
Likes: 332
Ditto on the 2-3 BG. You don't want the BG bullying the RES and keeping them from getting the food. Only a couple to show them what it is and that's all.


www.hoosierpondpros.com


http://www.pondboss.com/subscribe.asp?c=4
3/4 to 1 1/4 ac pond LMB, SMB, PS, BG, RES, CC, YP, Bardello BG, (RBT & Blue Tilapia - seasonal).
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 1,554
Likes: 262
F
Lunker
Offline
Lunker
F
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 1,554
Likes: 262
Originally Posted by esshup
I've only been able to get approximately 60% of the RES of a certain batch feed trained, using a mixture of Optimal Starter #4 and Optimal BG JR feed. This is in a recirculating system.

esshup,

Have you ever tagged any of the feed trained RES to observe how much they outperform the other 40% once they are put into a pond environment?

What is the alternative food source for the non-trained RES in your system? Do you think the non-trained fish prefer that food, are better at capturing it, or are just plain stupid?

Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 26,750
Likes: 332
Moderator
Ambassador
Field Correspondent
Lunker
Offline
Moderator
Ambassador
Field Correspondent
Lunker
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 26,750
Likes: 332
Originally Posted by FishinRod
Originally Posted by esshup
I've only been able to get approximately 60% of the RES of a certain batch feed trained, using a mixture of Optimal Starter #4 and Optimal BG JR feed. This is in a recirculating system.

esshup,

Have you ever tagged any of the feed trained RES to observe how much they outperform the other 40% once they are put into a pond environment?

What is the alternative food source for the non-trained RES in your system? Do you think the non-trained fish prefer that food, are better at capturing it, or are just plain stupid?

Those are good questions. RES are so hard to catch in my pond that I never thought about tagging them. They are too small to tag when released anyway. No snails in the pond, at least none that I can see, so they have to be eating small fish and other inverts. I haven't caught a RES in the pond in a few years, but a buddies kid caught one last Spring that was 12" long. If he fishes the pond now, I have put a price on all the fish, so he will weigh/measure/write down the info on each fish. I pay $0.50/lb for that information, and have a $2/lb bounty on all the LMB that he can remove. He now has an incentive to gather that info. grin

I furnished a digital scale like they use on the MLF show, and I have a write in the rain spiral bound notebook that I have labeled with all the fish species in the pond. I made columns for date, length, weight, and whether kept or released. Any fish that is bleeding is to be removed.

I keep all that stuff in a tote where he can access it even if I am not home.


www.hoosierpondpros.com


http://www.pondboss.com/subscribe.asp?c=4
3/4 to 1 1/4 ac pond LMB, SMB, PS, BG, RES, CC, YP, Bardello BG, (RBT & Blue Tilapia - seasonal).
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 1,554
Likes: 262
F
Lunker
Offline
Lunker
F
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 1,554
Likes: 262
Originally Posted by esshup
If he fishes the pond now, I have put a price on all the fish, so he will weigh/measure/write down the info on each fish. I pay $0.50/lb for that information, and have a $2/lb bounty on all the LMB that he can remove. He now has an incentive to gather that info. grin

I furnished a digital scale like they use on the MLF show, and I have a write in the rain spiral bound notebook that I have labeled with all the fish species in the pond. I made columns for date, length, weight, and whether kept or released. Any fish that is bleeding is to be removed.

I keep all that stuff in a tote where he can access it even if I am not home.

esshup, thanks for the reply.

I am impressed with the "data gathering system" you have installed on your pond!

Joined: May 2022
Posts: 29
Likes: 2
L
Offline
L
Joined: May 2022
Posts: 29
Likes: 2
I just stocked 300 RES and 10 lb fat head minnows last week. That is all that is in the 1 acre pond so far. Got Purina Aqua Max starter food. They would not eat it first 2 days. But this morning I had several come up and eat. Was a great sign!

Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 3,672
Likes: 95
P
Offline
P
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 3,672
Likes: 95
You are lucky most RES won’t take to feed

Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 6,044
Likes: 77
S
Offline
S
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 6,044
Likes: 77
FHM's are agressive feeders as long as they do not have predators keeping them away. Once predators are introduced then you will not see them coming to feed much.


John

I subscribe to Pond Boss Magazine
Joined: May 2022
Posts: 29
Likes: 2
L
Offline
L
Joined: May 2022
Posts: 29
Likes: 2
The first 10 days I feed, the RES and minnows ate pretty well. It has gotten warmer and the last 5 days they are not eating hardly at all. Just had a large cricket spawn around the lake. Should I keep feeding? Or be concerned? Even my FHM are not eating like they were but I do have large number of tad poles and crickets all around the pond.

Maybe they got plenty to eat, or eat it after I leave.


Link Copied to Clipboard
Today's Birthdays
Connor Kelley
Recent Posts
Long distance sprayer
by Jackinthabox - 06/26/22 08:29 AM
What attacked this SMB?
by Shorty - 06/26/22 08:12 AM
What did you do at your pond today?
by Bobbss - 06/26/22 12:57 AM
Pond Leakage
by teehjaeh57 - 06/25/22 11:05 PM
Too much muck for spawning
by That One Guy - 06/25/22 10:49 PM
How to dig out a settlement pond?
by esshup - 06/25/22 06:16 PM
Air pump question
by Quarter Acre - 06/25/22 05:55 PM
Juvenile Hybrid Stripers Dying
by Snipe - 06/25/22 02:02 PM
Orangespotted Sunifsh
by Snipe - 06/25/22 01:42 PM
Pond Redo
by RStringer - 06/25/22 01:30 PM
Aeration with NO storage
by highflyer - 06/25/22 11:02 AM
Just limed my backyard pond
by esshup - 06/25/22 12:14 AM
Newly Uploaded Images
New Record Bluegill
New Record Bluegill
by Theo Gallus, June 10
pond 6
pond 6
by Stressless, May 10
Molly Ann surveys her new Puppydom
Molly Ann surveys her new Puppydom
by Mongos Pond, January 28
Fry
Fry
by CityDad, January 20
Baldcypress
Baldcypress
by Stressless, January 11
Still active
Still active
by Shorty, December 15

� 2014 POND BOSS INC. all rights reserved USA and Worldwide

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5