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I spoke with a friend who is involved in large construction projects. He gets involved on the bidding and management of the concrete side of things so mostly does large parking structures and airport remodels etc. He mentioned that there was an ask for bids on a new fish 'farm' somewhere near the Michigan/Ohio border. He said there would be massive 'tanks' of poured concrete to hold a huge number of fish.

He wasn't clear if the fish were destined to a domestic or foreign market but assumed it was trout/salmon and for human consumption?

He said the concrete costs alone were well north of $30 million dollars. His company could not even bid the job as it was impossible for them to find sufficient labor or even sufficient supervisors to do the project.

For those in IN, OH or MI, are you aware of a huge fish farm project going in? Any idea if this will be a way that local pond owners can have access to a larger variety of fish for stocking in private ponds?

I'm also curious on how the business model around raising and selling fish has improved to the point of making such a large and expensive construction project pay for itself?

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Wow!

That seems like it would be significantly more expensive than pen-raised salmon from the ocean.

RAH's link indicates they think they can make it up by being centrally located in the U.S.

I would also think they will have tighter controls on the inputs compared to ocean-raised salmon. Perhaps they can make the salmon tastier and sell them at a premium price point?

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RAH has his information correct. Aquabounty broke ground on the new salmon growing facility last week. Water comes from a huge aquifer in that region. They plan to grow 11 tons of salmon per year that's 22000lbs. Now that's a lot of fish!. For sure it is not your backyard fish pond.
A pilot facility was built in Indiana several years ago.

https://livingoceans.org/initiatives/salmon-farming/issues/genetically-modified-salmon

https://apnews.com/article/whole-fo...hnology-a4ef4f24801f62ac65918e4560d7eb8a

Here are more questions and answers from the USDA about these special fish. More maybe than you wanted to know about these new forms of Atlantic Salmon

1. What is different about AquAdvantage Salmon?
AquAdvantage Salmon has been genetically engineered to reach a growth marker important to the aquaculture industry more rapidly than its non-GE Atlantic salmon counterpart. It does so because it contains an rDNA construct that is composed of the growth hormone gene from Chinook salmon under the control of a promoter (a sequence of DNA that turns on the expression of a gene) from ocean pout (another type of fish). This allows the salmon to grow faster.

2. What is the source of the data in the original application and the supplemental applications for the Indiana facility and a second Canadian facility?
For its review, FDA relied on the data provided in the application, as well as other sources of data and information, including articles from peer-reviewed journals, taking care to ensure the most relevant data and information received the most weight in the agency’s decision-making process.

The data in the application are provided by the company, because the burden of proof is on the sponsor, or company, to demonstrate safety and to validate the claim that is being made. As part of the review process, whenever the FDA had additional questions, the sponsor provided additional data or information.

The FDA’s 2015 approval only allowed for AquAdvantage Salmon to be produced at the two facilities the sponsor had described in its application: one in Panama and the other in Canada. On April 26, 2018, the FDA approved the supplemental application AquaBounty submitted to raise AquAdvantage Salmon at its facility near Albany, Indiana, because it also meets the requirements for approval.

AquaBounty's Panama facility has since been decommissioned for business reasons.

On November 5, 2019, the FDA approved a supplemental application AquaBounty submitted to produce AquAdvantage Salmon eggs at a second Canadian facility.

3. What did the FDA consider to be the potential environmental impacts?
In compliance with requirements of the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA), the FDA evaluated the potential effects on the environment of the United States from an approval of the application related to AquAdvantage Salmon. Specifically, the FDA asked the following four questions:

What is the likelihood that AquAdvantage Salmon will escape the conditions of confinement?
What is the likelihood that AquAdvantage Salmon will survive and disperse if they escape the conditions of confinement?
What is the likelihood that AquAdvantage Salmon will reproduce and establish if they escape the conditions of confinement?
What are the likely consequences to, or effects on, the environment of the United States should AquAdvantage Salmon escape the conditions of confinement?
Based on the multiple forms of physical and biological containment proposed by AquaBounty Technologies in the application and supplemental applications, the FDA found that an approval of the applications related to AquAdvantage Salmon would not cause a significant impact on the environment of the United States. These findings are based on the extremely low likelihood that AquAdvantage Salmon could escape into the environs surrounding AquaBounty's facilities and survive in an ocean or waterway and interbreed with wild Atlantic salmon due, in part, to the physical and biological containment measures specified in the approved applications, and thus affect the environment of the United States. Based on the final Environmental Assessment, the agency issued a final Finding of No Significant Impact (FONSI).

In addition, after carefully reviewing the data submitted by the company, on April 26, 2018, the FDA published a final Finding of No Significant Impact for the Indiana facility based on an analysis of a final Environmental Assessment. FDA also posted an Environmental Assessment and issued a Finding of No Significant Impact for the approval of the supplemental application for the second Canadian facility.

4. What kinds of physical containment does the approved application specify will be at the facilities at which AquAdvantage Salmon will be raised?
The facilities have a series of multiple and redundant levels of physical barriers to prevent eggs and fish from escaping. The facilities use land-based tanks, not ocean net pens, which are not allowed under the approved application. The first level of barriers (Primary Containment) includes items such as metal screens on tank bottoms, stand pipes, and incubator trays to prevent the escape of eggs and fish during hatching or rearing. Tanks also have covers, nets, jump fences, and screened overflow tanks to prevent escape over the sides of the tanks or incubators. All tank drains and stand pipes have covers or sleeves permanently attached to them. In order to prevent eggs or small fish from passing through the pipes or plumbing there is a closed septic system and additional screens and chlorine pucks are used to kill any escaped fish in the main drain area.

To augment physical containment, strict security measures and equipment are in place at the facilities.

On April 26, 2018, the FDA approved a facility near Albany, IndianaExternal Link Disclaimer for rearing AquAdvantage Salmon. This secure land-based tank system in Indiana is AquaBounty Technologies’ sole approved growing facility in the U.S. At the time of the facility approval, Import Alert 99-40 prevented the AquAdvantage Salmon eggs produced in Canada from entering the U.S. As of March 8, 2019, the FDA deactivated the import alert.

AquAdvantage Salmon, which are all female and effectively sterile, are raised in a secure indoor facility in freshwater, land-based tanks. There are multiple physical containment measures like nets, screens and filters to prevent any fish from escaping. There are a minimum of five, and sometimes six or seven barriers between the tanks where the fish are raised and the facility’s final filtered water discharge to an outside ditch.

Additionally, the environmental conditions around the Indiana grow-out site are hostile to the long-term survival, dispersal, reproduction and establishment of AquAdvantage Salmon. There are no Atlantic salmon and other salmonids near the Indiana facility, and the watershed where the facility is located ultimately drains to the Mississippi River and the Gulf of Mexico.

5. When AquAdvantage Salmon is sold in the U.S., how will it be labeled?
The United States Department of Agriculture’s Agricultural Marketing Service (USDA AMS) regulates the disclosure of bioengineered content on the labeling of human food from GE salmon, including AquAdvantage Salmon, under the National Bioengineered Food Disclosure Standard. This law and its implementing regulations issued on December 20, 2018, require that human food containing GE salmon bear labeling indicating that it is bioengineered.

6. How will the FDA monitor AquAdvantage Salmon now that it has been approved?
All FDA-approved new animal drugs have post-market surveillance programs. For this application, the approval letter describes record-keeping and reporting requirements, including demonstrating the presence and stability of the AquAdvantage rDNA construct, ensuring that the triploidy process (a method used in finfish and shellfish to prevent their sexual maturation and to make them sterile) is within specifications, reporting of any adverse effects of the rDNA construct on animal health, and reporting of any instances of presumed infectious disease. In addition, the sponsor is required to monitor physical containment, including reporting of any likely or actual breaches of physical containment.

7. Are AquAdvantage Salmon more susceptible to disease than non-GE salmon?
No. Scientific data do not support the assertion that AquAdvantage Salmon are any more susceptible to disease than non-GE farm-raised Atlantic salmon under the aquaculture conditions in which they are raised.

8. Why did the FDA approve the AquAdvantage Salmon?
Under the Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act, FDA is required to review applications for safety and effectiveness. Based on a comprehensive analysis of the scientific evidence, the FDA has determined that the AquAdvantage Salmon meets the statutory requirements for safety and effectiveness under the FD&C Act. The fish are safe for humans and animals to eat, the rDNA construct is safe for the animal, and the claim about faster growth made by the sponsor has been confirmed. Because the sponsor has met these and other statutory requirements, the FDA must approve the application.

The FDA has also analyzed the potential environmental impact that an approval of the AquAdvantage Salmon application would have on the U.S. environment and has published its final Environmental Assessment and Finding of No Significant Impact.

9. How are genetically engineered animals regulated?
Genetically engineered animals are regulated under the new animal drug provisions of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (FD&C Act) because an rDNA construct that is intended to affect the structure or function of the body of the resulting animal meets the definition of a drug. Please see GFI 187 for a detailed description of the kinds of recommended information for a sponsor to submit, and that the agency will review.

The FDA held a Veterinary Medicine Advisory Committee meeting that addressed the application and a Part 15 hearing that addressed labeling of food from AquAdvantage Salmon, which were both open to the public, released draft environmental documents on the application, and solicited public comment in connection with all of these activities.

10. What is triploidy?
Triploid fish have three sets of chromosomes in the cells of their body instead of the more common two sets (referred to as “diploid”). Triploidy is a method used in certain plants and animals, including finfish and shellfish, to prevent their sexual maturation and thereby make them functionally sterile. In addition to providing a form of biological containment, this can redirect energy to growth instead of to reproductive development.

The sponsor has proposed to induce triploidy by a method that is commonly used in commercial aquaculture -- shortly after they are fertilized, the fertilized eggs are put in a pressure chamber (a large stainless steel container resembling a very heavy-walled thermos bottle) and pressure is applied to them.

Containment
1. What is meant by “multiple redundant containment” in the context of AquAdvantage Salmon?
Multiple redundant containment means that there are several independent levels and types of barriers to prevent escape and establishment of salmon populations outside the land-based tanks in which the AquAdvantage Salmon are bred and raised. For example, for physical containment there are multiple screens and filters throughout both facilities. With respect to biological containment, there are two independent but complementary methods: producing only one sex of fish, and making the female fish sterile via triploidy induction (a method used in finfish and shellfish to prevent their sexual maturation and make them sterile). In addition, there are geographical/geophysical containment features that would not be supportive of salmon survival.

2. What is meant by biological containment?
Biological containment is a term that means limiting the reproductive ability of an animal. We use biological containment when we neuter our pet dogs or cats. More advanced methods of biological containment, or bio-confinement, use methods such as altering the chromosome number of an organism such as triploidy (a method used in finfish and shellfish to prevent their sexual maturation and make them sterile), and making single sex populations to induce sterility and/or prevent gene flow and reproduction in the environment.

3. What is meant by physical containment?
Physical containment refers to mechanical (or chemical) measures or barriers used at a facility to prevent the physical movement or escape of fish from that facility. Physical containment equipment includes screens with very small openings that allow water to flow through, but that will not allow the passage of eggs and fish. The mesh size of the screens range from 0.03 to 0.5 inches in diameter, which is roughly 10 to 100 times narrower than the fish is wide. Examples of these barriers include metal (usually stainless steel) and plastic screens, fine meshes, filters, and grates in the water drainage pipes and sumps that prevent eggs, fry (very small fish that have just hatched from eggs), and larger fish from being able to escape to the outside environment. Physical containment also includes tank covers and nets to prevent fish from being able to jump out of tanks and prevent predators such as birds from being able to remove them. (See EA Figure 6.)

4. What would happen if any of the AquAdvantage Salmon escaped from the Canadian facilities? Would the fish survive and impact the environment of the United States?
In the highly unlikely event that any salmon escaped from the facility, the potential for survival would be extremely low. Eggs and young fish would not survive if they escaped because they can only live in fresh water. The location of the facility is near an estuary (a body of water in which fresh and salt water mix and that is “slightly salty”) and the sea itself. Both of these conditions are too salty for young life stages to survive. For an older, larger fish to escape, it would have to make its way past a series of barriers and screens whose openings are very small (0.03 to 0.5 mm), which is roughly 10 to 100 times narrower than the fish is wide (see Figure 6 of the EA). Even then, the fish’s survival would depend on the season of the year because the winters where the facility is located in Prince Edward Island (PEI), Canada, are very cold and the water temperature is sometimes at or even below freezing (this is possible because the water is salty). Even if one of these fish were somehow able to escape, it is extremely unlikely it would survive for long or become established in the local environment. This is because currently there are no native Atlantic salmon in the nearby river system or any of the other rivers in the area, despite intentional stocking attempts over many years, which indicates that conditions are inhospitable for survival.

5. What would happen if any of the AquAdvantage Salmon escaped from the Indiana facility? Would the fish survive and impact the environment of the United States?
AquAdvantage Salmon would be raised in freshwater, land-based tanks at the sponsor’s Indiana facility. There are multiple physical containment measures like nets, screens and filters to prevent any fish from escaping. There are a minimum of five, and sometimes six or seven total levels of containment between the tanks where the fish are raised and the facility’s final water discharge to an outside ditch.

Escape of the salmon from the facility is extremely unlikely but, should an unintentional release of AquAdvantage Salmon occur, the environmental conditions in the geographic setting of the Indiana grow-out site would afford additional means of containment of any escaped eggs or fish, given that these conditions would be generally hostile to their long-term survival, dispersal, reproduction and establishment. This is evidenced by the lack of Atlantic salmon and other salmonids near the Indiana facility. These local environmental conditions will greatly limit the possibility of AquAdvantage Salmon affecting wild Atlantic or Pacific salmon populations in the U.S. Further, because the Indiana facility is located in a watershed that ultimately drains to the Mississippi River and Gulf of Mexico, any interactions with these wild salmon populations would require a journey of thousands of miles under environmental conditions hostile to the survival of Atlantic salmon, therefore, any possible interactions of AquAdvantage Salmon with wild Atlantic or Pacific salmon are precluded.

In addition, because the production process for AquAdvantage Salmon ensures that populations produced at the Indiana facility will be triploid (effectively sterile) and all-female animals, the possibility of their reproducing in the wild is extremely remote.

Given the additional redundant containment measures in place (e.g., biological, geographical, and geophysical), the combination of these factors results in an extremely low likelihood that AquAdvantage Salmon could escape into the wild and cause effects on the environment. The FDA therefore concludes that the grow-out of AquAdvantage Salmon under the conditions specified in the supplemental application and as described in the Environmental Assessment would not result in significant effects on the quality of the human environment in the United States.

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Thanks Bill.

Your link explains how they can recoup the costs. Their GM fish put on weight at least twice as fast as the ocean raised.

They will truly be farming salmon!

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Their fish grow quicker and on less feed.

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where will these fish show up for consumption? retail? restaurants? dog food? My pet has 'salmon' based dog food with no grains and a lot of other fancy labels on it. I wouldn't mind if that price came down a little!

If this brings in jobs, is sustainable, and produces a healthy meat source at a price that average folk can afford then it sounds good.

I hope they have a good source of energy that is affordable as I imagine they need their own power plant to keep that much water aerated, moving and turning over.

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It will be interesting when the satellite views are available to see their pond and raceway layouts that used 30 million dollars worth of concrete.

Hopefully we can pick up a trick or two for our ponds!

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Originally Posted by RAH
Their fish grow quicker and on less feed.
Wow maybe we can get some of our pond fish engineered for faster growth with less food

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I believe that Alaskan political opposition to importation of these salmon from Canada caused issues for the company, which may be why they are building in the US. The last thing Alaska wants is more competition & lower prices on a major moneymaker.

I do wonder if similar tech could be used to enhance growth on fish we stock in our ponds. A superior LMB strain, at least in terms of growth, could be a big seller. Of course, the problem might be if they escaped & spread, though perhaps fishermen wouldn't consider that a problem!


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Originally Posted by anthropic
I believe that Alaskan political opposition to importation of these salmon from Canada caused issues for the company, which may be why they are building in the US. The last thing Alaska wants is more competition & lower prices on a major moneymaker.

I do wonder if similar tech could be used to enhance growth on fish we stock in our ponds. A superior LMB strain, at least in terms of growth, could be a big seller. Of course, the problem might be if they escaped & spread, though perhaps fishermen wouldn't consider that a problem!

Agreed!

I think a superior LMB or BG would be opposed outside of any tightly controlled environment because they would definitely escape from ponds and then the native stock would eventually cease to exist as a pure strain without heroic intervention.

However, if you could make sterile, triploid LMB that reached 30#, you could sell millions of dollars of fish in Texas alone!

I assume the salmon will be in saltwater for their growth phase. Based on their spawning behavior I assume they could survive in the Great Lakes if they do manage to escape the facility?

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They mentioned that, in addition to all the artificial barriers to reproduction & escape, the Indiana plant is on a watershed that ultimately empties into the Mississippi & Gulf of Mexico, so presumably introduction into the Great Lakes won't be a problem. Salmonids do exist in some of the colder Great Lakes already, however.


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I think they are going to spend their whole lives in fresh water. They say that they are going to use 4.3 millions of water per day the cost to alter ground water to saltwater couldn't be cost effective

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Originally Posted by cb100
I think they are going to spend their whole lives in fresh water. They say that they are going to use 4.3 millions of water per day the cost to alter ground water to saltwater couldn't be cost effective

Pretty cool that salmon are so adaptive!

I don't ever recall a "salmon" thread on Pond Boss where someone was contemplating putting a few salmon in their large pond or small lake. Seems like something that would have at least been mentioned to discuss the crazy logistics that would be needed to perhaps make if possible.

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I think these salmon would have a similar chance of outcompeting wild counterparts as a broiler chickens or a Holstein cows would. They are a livestock animal bred for efficient production of safe and nutritious human food. All the containment is needed to obtain regulatory approval and consumer acceptance,

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Is the production for whole facility to be only 11 tons?


Bump.

Just found it. The Ohio facility will be 10,000 metric tons which is 11,000 short tons or 22 million pounds per year.

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Is the production for whole facility to be only 11 tons?


Bump.

Just found it. The Ohio facility will be 10,000 metric tons which is 11,000 short tons or 22 million pounds per year.

Did anyone see what they are planning to use as feed to produce those 22 million pounds of salmon?

Will that take some fish food off of the "pond" market, or add another industrial facility and diversify and expand our supply?

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Cecil Baird successfully grew Atlantic Salmon in his home ponds the previous two years. From egg to harvest. He uses well water to keep the water temp down in his pond.


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AquaBounty approach to feed:

https://agfundernews.com/5-question...al-license-for-ge-animals-and-regulation

There are also companies developing feed based on wood waste from the lumber industry:

https://thefishsite.com/articles/po...e-aquafeed-sector-a-boost-arbiom-sylfeed

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This is just the beginning of similar projects. Innovation like this is transforming our world and it is sorely needed. Hopefully they are making a profit appropriate for the investments made. Pretty cool stuff.


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Originally Posted by RAH
AquaBounty approach to feed:

https://agfundernews.com/5-question...al-license-for-ge-animals-and-regulation

There are also companies developing feed based on wood waste from the lumber industry:

https://thefishsite.com/articles/po...e-aquafeed-sector-a-boost-arbiom-sylfeed

RAH,

Your second link shows some serious "out of the box" thinking! If they can make that process work at scale, then they are potentially creating a unique and independent broad base to important food chains.

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I worked with someone (animal nutritionist) who is now at Arbiom and making this happen. Bright guy and great to work with.

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