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Hello.

For fun I looked at the laying dates of different states.

Snipe in Kansas in 2020, March 7, a month faster than me.

For 2020, Indiana, Illinois, 13 March.
Michigan 15 ¨
Ohio 16. ¨
Missouri. 22. ¨
Québec. 3. April
Ontario 3. ¨
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There was a thread on 2020 and 2021:

https://forums.pondboss.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=518598

https://forums.pondboss.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=532398&page=1

The first ribbon in 2021 was in Ohio on March 15 so those in Ohio may chime in and tell us if you have ribbons?



I did have ribbons March 15 or 16 last year.

Certainly it can't be March 15 in MI this year as I have ice strong enough to hold a few people yet.
I recall the typical date being around the 1st of April but usually is within a week of ice out.

It appears that water temps and possibly amount of daylight hours is the key? In this case we have the daylight but we don't have the water temps we need yet

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Dr.Luke you posted first ever perch ribbons last year on March 20 (and this was even after your winter kill event) Keep a careful eye and let us know when they show again and what your water temp is.

Do you still have ice?

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Hello.

March 17, it's going fast.

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Okay perch lovers - Thursday Mar 17 first egg ribbons in Northwest Ohio. Water temp yesterday was 50F in the evening. Today's air temp 72F and very likely more eggs tomorrow. Last year I had the first eggs Mar 15.

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I'm hoping to find a few minutes to drop the thermometer into the cow pond tomorrow. It might happen if the mine boss releases me before the sun goes down.

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Water temps here are 50/51, and no observed YP egg strands yet...


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3/17 and a couple more on 3/18 in southern ohio

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3-18 North Eastern Indiana. (Ligonier, IN to be specific) Surface water temp 53.1°F


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esshup do you have ribbons yesterday?

Looking out the window I can see gray, windy, cold and a floating ice pack that is showing pot holes of melting but still is one piece. I see more free water on the edges and glimmering fluorescent green algae in shallows. No eggs yet but water temps have to be cold if that ice isn't melting over night. Air temp currently 39.

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You guys that actually get to see egg ribbons are lucky. I spent several years religiously putting small & medium tree branches into the edges of my YP/SMB/BGxRES pond, genuflecting and making the sign of the spinner bait as I did, without ever seeing a ribbon. Every year the Perch laid their egg ribbons on structure too far out form shore to be seen. (I guess they're shy.) Every year I get a Perch spawn, but I have to take it on faith.


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Originally Posted by canyoncreek
esshup do you have ribbons yesterday?

Looking out the window I can see gray, windy, cold and a floating ice pack that is showing pot holes of melting but still is one piece. I see more free water on the edges and glimmering fluorescent green algae in shallows. No eggs yet but water temps have to be cold if that ice isn't melting over night. Air temp currently 39.

I didn't take a walk to my pond yesterday due to the weather (and probably today too) but Cecil sent me that information yesterday. Our ice left the pond 2 weeks ago. It came back for a day a week later, but quickly disappeared again.


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Spotted ribbons Thursday night! March 24. Super cold, blowing, raining sideways, about 32 degrees today and tomorrow.
More ribbons Friday after work, really a good batch of large strands about a dozen locations. 10 days later than last year but in other years we were closer to April 1st.

I had one 11" female perch with bloated belly dead at ice out but no other morts over the winter.

SFS came to feed rapidly on the 2nd day of feeding. Not sure if YP are feeding yet as water a bit green and murky this spring.

Will remove much of the ribbons but hoping to leave a few in the deeper water. Our original stockers if still alive would turn 7 years old this spring so not sure they have another season left or not.

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3/28 no ribbons spotted yet but caught 2 spent females Monday night.

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I spotted several ribbons March 23 in Central illinois. My daughter has a small ribbon in an aquarium and we have been watching the progress. Currently you can see black eyes and movement in the eggs.

My concern now is what will heavy rain and muddy water do to the spawn? I'm guessing we are several days away from any fry hatching...

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Is it easy (for non-experts) to differentiate between recently spent females and males in YP?

How does that compare to differentiating for LMB or for BG?

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Hello.

For a few days the thaw is very slow.

The small pond is thawed, water at 39f.
But the big pond is still frozen water at 34f.

On the third picture you can see a little the distance between the 2 pond, which is about 30 feet.

In the small pond Yellow-perch spawn about a week before those in the big pond.

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BABIES!! We now have eye lashed sizes fry swimming around the aquarium. Any idea how long they can live off the yolk sack before needing zooplankton??

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Even at yolk sac the fry are looking for smallest zooplankton and some phytoplankton as their mouths develop better jaws.

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From 7 mm to 11 mm they should have diminishing yolk sac and be eating more and more zooplankton. Timing can be subject to temps and growth factors.
















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Any way to harvest zooplankton and put them in the aquarium?

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Any way to harvest zooplankton and put them in the aquarium?

Yes one can harvest phytoplankton and zooplankton but the collection materials are not easily obtained. For collecting use a very fine mesh plankton net of the correct mesh size for the size of plankton needed. Plankton nets come in a variety of mesh sizes. Most common plankton nets are in 80-180 micron mesh size. Newly 1st feeding fry are eating very small plankton in the size close around 20-40um, several sizes smaller than the common plankton nets. I have a small filter bucket with 35um mesh to collect rotifers. Smallest mesh netting can be 10um.

When in high school I raised tropical zebra fish from eggs. I fed the fry an egg emulsion and managed to get several of them to survive to adult size.
Our PB forum member Azteca recently provided a link about feeding new fish fry using an egg emulsification method. This is a readily available fairly simple method to try as fry food. After the fry are growing 6-10 days I would blend in some fine powdered fish food.
https://www.fao.org/3/x5738e/x5738e0p.htm


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Do you have to actually harvest phytoplankton and zooplankton for feed when the fry are just transitioning off of their yolk sacs?

I thought two buckets of fertile pond water left outside in the semi-sun would be teeming with life if you threw in a little organic fertilizer. I contemplated pouring a cup of that water into the aquarium each day to initially supply enough "feed" for the fry.

[I confess to zero knowledge on this topic. I thought fertile pond water was teeming with life, so any amplifications on this topic would be appreciated.]

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Originally Posted by FishinRod
Is it easy (for non-experts) to differentiate between recently spent females and males in YP?

How does that compare to differentiating for LMB or for BG?
Part of that is handling fish frequently, Rod. Percids are much easier to correctly identify green, ripe, spent or male this time of year. Centrarchids (LMB, BG-sunfish) are not as easy. You can see a gravid female somewhat easily but males are somewhat harder to identify because their sizes remain similar-longer than Percids do.
As you handle more and more fish it will become more obvious.

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