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I'm in midwest ohio and I'm looking to purchase other minnows other than just fatheads. I'm trying to put together a forage base that may survive and sustain themselves in my future HSB, YP, RES pond. I'm willing to be patient and really get a good forage base going. I've heard good things about mosquito fish, but less good things about GSH? Only things I can find locally are FHM and GSH, anyone have any recommendations near me?

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Tyler, can't really help on locale, but a couple species that Bill Cody has suggested in the past have been spotfin shiners and bluntnose minnows.

No experience with mosquito fish, but have read both good and bad things. The only real bad thing I've read is the niche they occupy in the water column. They tend to stick around the surface and shoreline, avoiding some predation, especially if there's cover. I'll wait for someone with experience with them to weigh in.

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I caught some gambusia out of a local marsh when my pond was filling. Started with a couple dozen. Now have thousands.

From my observations, they make good forage for young yellow perch. When the light starts to get low in the evening the small YP
start showing up in the shallow water. They move so slowly it's hard to tell that they're moving at all, then boom, GAM down the hatch.

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Originally Posted by tylerd1994
I'm in midwest ohio and I'm looking to purchase other minnows other than just fatheads. I'm trying to put together a forage base that may survive and sustain themselves in my future HSB, YP, RES pond. I'm willing to be patient and really get a good forage base going. I've heard good things about mosquito fish, but less good things about GSH? Only things I can find locally are FHM and GSH, anyone have any recommendations near me?

Your in spotfin and bluntnose country.

https://nas.er.usgs.gov/queries/FactSheet.aspx?SpeciesID=520

https://nas.er.usgs.gov/queries/factsheet.aspx?SpeciesID=620

Gams are a naturalized invasive according to NAS but I do wonder if their judgment is correct. I would think they would be native in any watershed flowing into the Ohio River. Whatever the case, you may want to see if Ohio has any restrictions for stocking or transporting them. If allowed they would be a good addition. Augie's mention of how a few become thousands has been my experience too. They are prolific but do not attain high standing weights (maybe 60 to 80 lbs/acre generally when they are in good numbers). But don't let this fool you. They reproduce all Summer long and individuals less 1" in length grow by more then 10% of body weight each day. So 60 lbs could stand 6 lbs of cropping each day and maintain their standing weight. That's more than twice the dry weight protein people typically feed when having a feed regimen. So they really good for fish that make use of small minnows. I see fish taking Gams where up to several times a minute I see a spray of minnows trying to evade predators. If you have pond weeds in the margins they will do much better.

https://nas.er.usgs.gov/queries/factsheet.aspx?SpeciesID=846


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Janah's Aquarium usually has a variety of good species, they are not cheap but that's about the only place I've found selling SFS.
http://www.jonahsaquarium.com/

If you have the time, catching and sorting from local wild sources is a lot of fun and you'll ensure you have species well adapted to your local conditions. Plenty of care needed with sorting and checking/removing parasites though.

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Spotfin shiner and bluntnose minnow are available in northwest Ohio. Nov-Dec 2021 Pond Boss Magazine has an article by Mark Cornwell about using mudminnows as possible forage fish which I think is a good option. However those would have to be collected locally. If in or close to Wisconsin Gollon Bait sells mudminnows.

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Thanks Bill,

Do you happen to have a name of the place that sells spotfin or bluntnose? Or do I need to go catch them? smile

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Our Member Snipe operates operates an fisheries enterprise in KS and cultures BNM. He might be able to ship to your location if finding local source is problematic. The combination of SFS & BNM is a very good one considering the BNM are going to forage the bottom areas and the SFS are going to forage midwater predominately. These two need good spawning substrate to perform best. Their prime spawning substrate is very specific .


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If you've got virgin water and are patient to introduce predators, you can get a lot done with several dozen of a species of minnow, so shipment is a good part of the plan.


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