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That’s great stuff, did you pellet feed the RES and BG the last two years?

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Yes. There is a story in the Jan/Feb issue of PB magazine on my adventures pellet training baby RES.

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I just read the huge thread on pellet training and all the updates. Well done and fascinating.

Have you tried adding anything else besides pellets or minnows to RES diet? Is it a good idea to throw snails in or is that a waste of money/damaging?

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Mother Nature will bring snails to your pond. I did add some early on, but not really on purpose. They were collected in the marsh with the GAMs and daphnia that I captured.

I added ~100 northern crayfish that QA donated. They are doing well and making enough baby crayfish that my RES grew noticeably over the winter.

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Nice, do you have SMB in there for the crayfish? I am adding stones concrete and rip rap for the SMB and have considered throwing in some crayfish for them. Have read that I want the paper shell crawfish that don’t borrow and destroy the shorelines. Still reading up on them.

I will eventually have YP RES and SMB, hoping to have a decently balanced pond that keeps the young fisherman busy.

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I stocked SMB and HSB last fall. They aren't big enough yet to take on a full-grown northern crayfish.

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Did you ever catch the carp/suckers? I believe I might have them in my pond. I am not sure how to target them, given the weedy bottom I have eliminates the possibility of bottom fishing.


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Originally Posted by Augie
Yes. There is a story in the Jan/Feb issue of PB magazine on my adventures pellet training baby RES.

Really enjoyed your story, Augie. Like so many pondmeisters, the only time I ever see my RES is when the electro boat comes out.


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I never did catch them, just see them every once in a while, they don't come to the top and you only see them for a few seconds about one foot down, no chance to get a shot at em yet

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Did you ever catch the carp/suckers? I believe I might have them in my pond. I am not sure how to target them, given the weedy bottom I have eliminates the possibility of bottom fishing.

You might be able to try a "zig rig". Its a way of suspending a carp bait off the bottom.

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Did you ever catch the carp/suckers? I believe I might have them in my pond. I am not sure how to target them, given the weedy bottom I have eliminates the possibility of bottom fishing.

You might be able to try a "zig rig". Its a way of suspending a carp bait off the bottom.

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Might try baiting the area first for a few days, then fishing. Use fluorocarbon, they can get very picky!

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Sounds like what I've seen as well. I've only seen the fish once and it was a foot down and swam away once it sensed or saw me.


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Thanks for the idea. We use a similar rig here for steelhead with a floating roe bag. I will give that a try. I wonder if carp would eat floating PowerBait?


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if you want to get rid of carp/suckers.....put some lights on a boat (hand held battery spot light will work) and slowly creep around the pond with a bow fishing outfit - shoot 'em


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Originally Posted by anthropic
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Yes. There is a story in the Jan/Feb issue of PB magazine on my adventures pellet training baby RES.

Really enjoyed your story, Augie. Like so many pondmeisters, the only time I ever see my RES is when the electro boat comes out.

I'm gathering a few things so I can quickly weigh, measure, and photograph. Soon as I'm set up I'll catch a few of the RES and report back.
With any luck I'll get that done this weekend. Weather guessers say cold is coming so that might set me back a bit.

First week of May I'll start caging any juvenile RES that I trap and start the pellet training process on a new batch. I've caught a couple dozen
already this spring, and I probably should have caged them, but the weather has been hot/cold/hot/cold so I decided to wait until the cold is finished.

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Originally Posted by Matzilla
if you want to get rid of carp/suckers.....put some lights on a boat (hand held battery spot light will work) and slowly creep around the pond with a bow fishing outfit - shoot 'em

I agree with Matzilla.

One time in my youth, the bass weren't biting but the carp were spawning in the flats all around the reservoir. We started wading in knee-deep water with our landing net. We managed to scoop about 8 large carp in the boat because they were so "preoccupied" with other activities.

I think all of the ones we caught were male because the floor of the boat started to collect milt. That forced us to net them all OUT of the boat.

These carp appeared to create a distinct rolling motion in the water while spawning. However, they always muddied the water so I could not exactly observe what they were doing. I think you could definitely clean some out with a bow & arrow during the spawn. A 22 might work even better - if legal and safe to shoot. (Low angle shots at calm water can definitely deflect back up.)

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Interesting story. Hopefully, I only have one or zero so no spawning. My pond used to have carp before I owned it and it required a full chemical renovation to be restored.


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Good on the low number Fyfer, I was worried you had a worsening infestation!

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I was interested to hear that your second generation of RES trained to feed faster than the first generation. Maybe you could be breeding a variant that pondowners would find easier to feed & catch?


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Thanks. We had a mystery bucket of fish dumped by a neighbor. Still trying to figure out what's been added.


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I hadn't considered that, but it stands to reason. Offspring inherit any number of traits from their parents.
Seems logical that feeding behavior could be one of those traits.

When I get this next batch started I'm going to toss a couple BG in the cage with the RES.
Thinking the RES might start even quicker if they had some company to show them how it's done.

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Feed trained RES! Now that would be quite an accomplishment to make your own special strain of fish. Perhaps they would also be more aggressive biters, too.


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It would be nice to be able to catch a few of the RES in your pond with a Stubby Steve lure just to check their condition.

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Originally Posted by Augie
I hadn't considered that, but it stands to reason. Offspring inherit any number of traits from their parents.
Seems logical that feeding behavior could be one of those traits.

They inherit all of their traits from their parental lines (forefathers & mothers). Lots of proof (studies) that feeding is an inherited trait.

Have had good luck catching RES on crickets ( barely weighted) cast into the feed area when the feeder goes off.

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Update and question on my pond.
First off, I stocked 25 hsb on June 16 of this year, they were about 3 inches long. Was fishing last week for perch, and caught one hsb on a piece of worm. I could not believe the size of the fish, it was a little over 10 inches and around 3/4 of a pound. On a ultra lite, it was a really good fight. Now comes the problem, my FHM are all almost gone, but I have thousands of GSH. The red ears that I bought ( 100 ) and stocked turned out to be GSF, and they are multiplying like crazy. I am getting ready to add 25 walleye next month. The question is, do you all think the walleye and striped bass will put a hurting on the greenies? I really don’t want them in the pond, but I realize that it’s too late now to rid the pond of them, I just want to really reduce their numbers.
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