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Hello,I am from NW Ohio have three ponds. One is a shallow wetland half acre pond about 3' deep five years old. Second one is an acre and a half wetland pond with deep ends being 5' deep, five years old. Both of those are for wildlife, bigger one has bass and sunfish and channel cats in it and lots of frogs...smaller has minnows turtles and frogs. Both have wood duck boxes on them that get used multiple times in spring. Third pond we just put in, over an acre 21' deep for swimming and fishing stone around whole pond. Put a bunch of structure in it in the deep half all either plastic or concrete, other half of pond is for swimming that end is 15'ish deep with a beach. Will be stocking this pond with minnows/bluegill/large and smallmouth/perch/channel cats and a few walleye, maybe one pike. New pond
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Welcome to PB.
You might want to rethink stocking BG. Those swimmer-nipping varmints are a scourge in a swimming pond.
I have to throw Optimal before taking a dip or risk dying of blood loss from a savage bluegill attack.
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Welcome to PB, what Augie said, the BG will pester the crap out of swimmers. beautiful pond btw, the older two are nice shaped for duck hunting.
All the really good ideas I've ever had came to me while I was milking a cow.
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Never had BG bite me - taste bad?
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Thank you all.
I don't want to get bit up! I should have said in the BG family like redear or hybred...need some forage fish for the bass and we like to eat BG.
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wonder if you could put minnows etc into your wetland ponds and then scoop em out to add forage to the big pond
Im going to ask a lot of questions, but only because I'm clueless
5-20 Acres in Florida. Bass/Tilapia/Bowfin/Gator
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I would skip the largemouth and bluegills, even the hybrids for now. Just stock the minnows, Smallmouth, YP/RES. If you will be feeding the fish, you can get some pretty good growth with supplemental feeding. Throw a Texas Hunter Feeder on there along with Optimal Fish food. You can have 13"+ Yellow Perch, RES that are 10"+. If you don't want love to catch/keep/eat Channel Cats I'd skip them too. Make sure you have a phenominal minnow population before stocking the WE.
Hybrid BG can nip too, although not as bad as straight BG. Depending on your goals (bigger bass or bigger panfish) the minnow population becomes very important. I think you will need both Fatheads and Golden Shiners to help support the SMB. IF you can get feed trained SMB, get them.
We will have a limited supply of feed trained SMB this Fall, talk to Steve Heitman @ Shelby Fish Farm to see if he will have any this Fall.
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Follow esshup's suggestions and you can always later stock BG-LMB later when you decide you want them in the fishery. You will not be able to easily succeed with the later survival of YP, RES and SMB populations when BG and LMB are already in the pond. YP, RES, and SMB do not compete well with BG-LMB. I and customers have found that HBG nip swimmers more than BG. HBG are more prone to nip because of the green sunfish nature of aggressiveness. Both fish are more prone to nipping the higher their numbers are in the pond.
aka Pond Doctor & Dr. Perca Read Pond Boss Magazine - America's Journal of Pond Management
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Nice looking pond, would be fun to follow how this turns out for you... keep us updated with periodic posts of current status...Thanks J
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Never had BG bite me - taste bad? You and me and my whole family.
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Doesnt get much better then that. complete fun space!
All the really good ideas I've ever had came to me while I was milking a cow.
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Not to sound cranky or anti change - Facebook Groups can kill a forum. I've been on others where members stop posting because the Facebook Group was easier and one less page / app to open & look at.
1.25 Acre Pond 8 Feet Deep
Some Koi & Large Mouth Bass
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Nobody is going to visit my Facebook group instead of this forum. It just is not competitive with what you get here.
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I haven't seen any change in the forum member numbers or posts since RAH first referenced the FB group. Despite our best efforts, they're 2 different worlds.
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I dont even have Facebook ot I'd join ya on the group.
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Rusto you ain’t missing much mostly hate and politics unfortunately... few things are cool You do get to talk to old friends tho
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Thts the only part I would like. Linked up with ol high school (94)buddies. But also dont really want to know their political beliefs either.
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I'm not a facebook member but was able to look through the pics...NICE! I am a habitat junkie too! From bee's to deer, shrubs, flowers,grasses, trees...love messing with all of it. Favorite hobby that I have, it's taken over my love of hunting...almost.
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On the subject of nipping bluegills:
I put just ONE bluegill in my 1/2 acre swimming pond from my garden pond, and that little savage beast will track me down in that big pond and nip me.
That big pond Bluegill is probably close to an 8" beast now, where it's partner in the garden pond is still in the 3-4" range, despite being fed regularly.
I wonder if Pumpkin seeds are as bad? Tempted to put them in based on how well that solo Bluegill has done.
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Our new pond is half full now! This is what it looked like yesterday, structure is all under water now. View from beach area We also planted thirty 5'-6' Black Hill Spruce around pond this past fall for a road screen and wind block
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Looks very nice. Hope that the spruce will do better in your local than central Indiana where diseases are taking a lot of them out. We have lost thousands in our former Christmas tree fields (including Black Hills). Being further north, you may be ok.
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On the subject of nipping bluegills:
I put just ONE bluegill in my 1/2 acre swimming pond from my garden pond, and that little savage beast will track me down in that big pond and nip me.
That big pond Bluegill is probably close to an 8" beast now, where it's partner in the garden pond is still in the 3-4" range, despite being fed regularly.
I wonder if Pumpkin seeds are as bad? Tempted to put them in based on how well that solo Bluegill has done. If there are only a very few of either BG or PS in a pond it is likely (greater than 50%) they will cross.
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