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Steve_, if my memory serves me FHM stop brooding at 85 F, so the may not reproduce until mid to late September anyway. Just mention this because I think it would be OK to delay until you find a more reliable vendor for the species you want. Maybe fun to take a trip or you might could get a delivery where they drop them off or meet when going to another delivery.

Yeah, that’s a good point. I got time to populate my pond with FHM before it gets too cold. I just REALLY want that done this year, so next spring there’ll be lots of food when I stock the real fish.


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Steve, I think I only had about 3'-4' of water in mine when I first put the FHM in. I don't know what my water temp was but air temp pretty much stays at least 80s and 90s all summer around here. I thought I could spot new fry every week all summer long.


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I pulled a few more shiners out last night, that's 244 large shiners since May 29th. Add that to the 308 I pulled out last August and September that's 552 large GSH in the last year out of my 1/4 acre pond. That's a density of 2208 large GSH/acre.



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Shortay, what's the biggest size of smallies you have in the pond?


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Originally Posted by Shorty
I pulled a few more shiners out last night, that's 244 large shiners since May 29th. Add that to the 308 I pulled out last August and September that's 552 large GSH in the last year out of my 1/4 acre pond. That's a density of 2208 large GSH/acre.

Those numbers are just incredible. Do you think it's because of the smaller gape of the SMB compared to a LMB that they can't keep up with the GSH? Would adding a few same-sex LMB help out?


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Originally Posted by Sunil
Shortay, what's the biggest size of smallies you have in the pond?

13 1/2 to 14", those are shooters, most of the smallies are in the 9 to 11" size range. Overall growth rates have been poor with too many large shiners competing with with the SMB and RES for groceries.

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I pulled a few more shiners out last night, that's 244 large shiners since May 29th. Add that to the 308 I pulled out last August and September that's 552 large GSH in the last year out of my 1/4 acre pond. That's a density of 2208 large GSH/acre.

Those numbers are just incredible. Do you think it's because of the smaller gape of the SMB compared to a LMB that they can't keep up with the GSH? Would adding a few same-sex LMB help out?

The GSH got out of control after my fish kill in 2019 that got most of my smallies. I restocked with 3" to 4" SMB. The shiners that hatched last summer are in the 4" to 5 1/2" size range. Basically lots of competition with a lot shiners that are too large for the predators currently in the pond.



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another poster from NE earlier said it was recommended to use tiger musky to help target larger fish that may get out of control (like your large GSH or keeping ahead of skinny bass overload) That sounds good except for how hard it is to source Musky. Why is it not commonly suggested to use NP instead? It seems many bodies of water in northern lakes would have NP or do they just not do well in fish farms? I would think an adult NP or two in your pond would help clean up the GSH, no?

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Originally Posted by canyoncreek
another poster from NE earlier said it was recommended to use tiger musky to help target larger fish that may get out of control (like your large GSH or keeping ahead of skinny bass overload) That sounds good except for how hard it is to source Musky. Why is it not commonly suggested to use NP instead? It seems many bodies of water in northern lakes would have NP or do they just not do well in fish farms? I would think an adult NP or two in your pond would help clean up the GSH, no?

Probably comes down to a sourcing issue, just like the Musky. Also, I think NP are far less heat tolerant, but in northern BoWs, it seems like a safer option as they don't get as big. Interesting fact about NP is that they can live for 25+ years.


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I did stock eight wipers last summer in the 8-9" size range, I caught one on Friday that was 14 1/2".

One on the big reasons for removing the large shiners is so that I can see some SMB recruitment. In the past too many large shiners lead to almost zero recruitment of young of the year SMB.



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But Shorty, wipers can't eat your large GSH? Are you hoping to just catch them all out with hook and line? Or do you think a few, maybe a single big mouth predator like a toothy pike/musky might help? I can see where even a single large CC or flathead would eat your SMB too

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Can a south east kansas pond hold tiger musky. I'm gunna have to look around for these. Do they bite swimmers?


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Originally Posted by canyoncreek
But Shorty, wipers can't eat your large GSH? Are you hoping to just catch them all out with hook and line? Or do you think a few, maybe a single big mouth predator like a toothy pike/musky might help? I can see where even a single large CC or flathead would eat your SMB too

Hook and line until the SMB get bigger. I'm pretty sure a 14" SMB can eat a 6" shiner. I pulled another 12 GSH out tonight, all were between 6 1/2" to 8".



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Originally Posted by RStringer
Can a south east kansas pond hold tiger musky. I'm gunna have to look around for these. Do they bite swimmers?

That may all depend on what is swimming............. grin


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But Shorty, wipers can't eat your large GSH? Are you hoping to just catch them all out with hook and line? Or do you think a few, maybe a single big mouth predator like a toothy pike/musky might help? I can see where even a single large CC or flathead would eat your SMB too

Hook and line until the SMB get bigger. I'm pretty sure a 14" SMB can eat a 6" shiner. I pulled another 12 GSH out tonight, all were between 6 1/2" to 8".

Our SMB are up to 19”. We can use any size GSH as bait. I’m surprised at the size GSH they will go after.


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Shorty get out that seine and start sorting out GSH.
















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Originally Posted by ewest
Shorty get out that seine and start sorting out GSH.


The big shiners like to hang out over deep water away from the bank, they aren't easy to seine.



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Shorty get out that seine and start sorting out GSH.


The big shiners like to hang out over deep water away from the bank, they aren't easy to seine.

I have good luck catching jumbo shiners with a cast net. I'm no Jose Wejebe, but if I toss a handful of Optimal
before I toss the net, it will come up loaded with shiners every time. Normally I can get half a dozen tosses in
before they spook and run off.

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Use this method - same seine. Feed in front of net a few days. Then feed and pull seine in. Easy and repeatable.


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Originally Posted by ewest
Use this method - same seine. Feed in front of net a few days. Then feed and pull seine in. Easy and repeatable.


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I finally got a day that I had enough time to mow around the pond. Strong north wind, so whenever the discharge on the mower faced north I got a grass clipping bath. One trip I got a facefull and wiped off my forehead. It wasn't grass, it was either a bee or wasp. Yep, got nailed.

About 10 minutes later I was in the same area, a bug landed on my left hand and just as I was brushing it off (without looking) I got nailed again. About 1/2 dzn "somethings" were flying around and as soon as I felt one land I'd brush it off as fast as I could as I was trying to push the "Lets get outta here as fast as we can" pedal through the floor of the mower.....

Going to spray the area with a hot mix of Diquat and then Wednesday night I'm going to have a bonfire..... By tomorrow the plants will be brown.

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Originally Posted by ewest
Use this method - same seine. Feed in front of net a few days. Then feed and pull seine in. Easy and repeatable.


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I'm going to need a bigger seine net. (Mine is 25` x 4`)

I've removed 147 large GSH in the last 15 days by hook and line, 604 total since August of last year.



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Today from my deck I just stared at my empty pond hole thinking about how I hope I don't have to wait long for it to fill up. We just renovated our lake, it's just shy of 3 acres, or at least it's supposed to be. I want it to fill up so I can see how well it holds water. I am nervous. It held water pretty good for its previous life and I am hoping we didn't screw it up while digging it out.

I want to stock the BG, FHM and CC this fall. It has a large watershed and the rain we had in June in my area would have filled it up but we had a lot of rain that month. It was crazy watching all the water gushing in one end and flowing out the cut in the dam on the other. Now it's bone dry around here. We just had some rain come through Friday and Saturday and it either went north or south of us.

I have an exam on Tuesday and once I get that behind me, I'll have the rest of the week to get some much needed work done before our next rain chance on the coming weekend. I need to seed the dam and spillway ASAP. I have a trashcan full of fescue see and another trash bag full but I don't think it will be near enough. I have a few straw bales I plan to spread out but I don't think that will be enough either. I was contemplating as to whether I should purchase sod for the spillway. That's the only outflow we have for this lake and for the previous 40 years that my father owned it and that I now own it, it's worked remarkably well. It has remained grass covered and has never eroded. I hope to keep that going but realize it may be tough if I get off to a bad start.

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Caught about 100 of these. Anyone know if this is a true RES, or some type of hybrid. [Linked Image from hosting.photobucket.com]


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All I see is RES



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