Pond Boss Magazine
https://www.pondboss.com/images/userfiles/image/20130301193901_6_150by50orangewhyshouldsubscribejpeg.jpg
Advertisment
Newest Members
BarbraIss, rallenhughes, Tn_slab_crappie, Superguy1, MaplePond173
17283 Registered Users
Forum Statistics
Forums36
Topics38,938
Posts528,795
Members17,284
Most Online3,583
Jan 15th, 2020
Top Posters
esshup 25,430
ewest 20,624
Cecil Baird1 20,043
Bill Cody 13,753
Who's Online Now
13 members (Pat Williamson, Errfoil, Retired on 40, jpsdad, RUMBLON, liquidsquid, HTNFSH2, Augie, Tn_slab_crappie, Steve_, RAH, Johnny MAX, Sunil), 396 guests, and 398 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
What is the explanation for this?
#536223 06/07/21 05:52 PM
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 343
Likes: 5
T
tim k Offline OP
Member
OP Offline
Member
T
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 343
Likes: 5
I brought this subject up a few years ago but am curious what folk's thoughts are. I also just had a thread about the quality and type of feed that is used for our fish and how much difference it makes.

I have hunted a number of south Texas ranches over my years. On many of them there were the common stock tanks - anywhere from 2-30 plus acres. These ponds were not managed. No feeders. No culling. No stocking of bait fish, etc. Just ponds that nobody paid attention to but still produced huge bass.

Some of the largest black bass I have ever caught were in these ponds.

Attached are a few pics of bass caught out of some of these ponds - I caught a legit 10lb bass our of one of these ponds plus had days where we pulled in 10 plus bass between 5 and 10 lbs on a regular basis.

So the question is ...... how does this happen in water that is totally left on its own?

Attached Files
IMG_0728_zpsnzqzsfrc.JPG (34.08 KB, 78 downloads)
IMG_1330.JPG (23.25 KB, 76 downloads)
IMG_1432(1).JPG (29.64 KB, 68 downloads)
Re: What is the explanation for this?
tim k #536224 06/07/21 06:17 PM
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 379
Likes: 16
Online Content
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 379
Likes: 16
It's weird, ain't it? All the ponds I've ever fished (mostly up north), were unmanaged and produced great fishing. No feeding, aeration or anything. Under the right circumstances, you don't need all that "fancy" stuff, but it does expedite the process. Think about this: Most public waters aren't managed like private ponds are, and can produce great fishing. With the right food chain and "happy water" as Mr. Lusk says, you can have an unmanaged pond be successful. Is it common? Probably not. You can buy 100 lottery tickets and lose on all of them, and the next person can buy just 1 and win the jackpot. It sounds like those ponds you found hit the jackpot.

Re: What is the explanation for this?
tim k #536226 06/07/21 07:00 PM
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 2,913
Likes: 54
A
Online Content
A
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 2,913
Likes: 54
I've caught five LMB over 9 lb, three over 10 lb. All were on private waters. My largest panfish, too. Public waters have been good at times, and I've caught LMB & walleye in 7 lb range there. Still, for lunkers I'd take private ponds, mostly due to reduced fishing pressure.

However, you're right that several of the best private waters were not actively managed much, or at all. Some places are naturally fertile & have a great food chain. On the other hand, my current BOW is deep & infertile. Without liming, fertilizing, feeding, and harvesting, it would be a subpar fishery.

If I remember correctly, Bob Lusk has stated that south Texas ponds are exceptional fisheries even without management. Wish my place were like that!

Last edited by anthropic; 06/07/21 10:07 PM.

8ac, full 3/16. CNBG, RES, FHM 10/15; TP 5/16; FLMB 6/16. 100 12" NLMB & 1k GSH 10/17,L, 150# TP & 70 HSB 5/18. 1k PK 11/18. 100# TP 4/19, 200# RBT 12/19, 10k TFS 3/20, 100#TP 5/20, 25 HSB & 250 F1 9/20,L,180# RBT 12/20, 206, 7k TFS,100#TP 5/21, 207



Re: What is the explanation for this?
anthropic #536227 06/07/21 07:09 PM
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 343
Likes: 5
T
tim k Offline OP
Member
OP Offline
Member
T
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 343
Likes: 5
Yes I seem to remember Bob talking about how fertile South Texas ponds are just like the land is for growing big deer- I have discussed with a number of South Texas ranch owners to consider feeding, culling. etc. and their answer was always "why?" - I never had a good response LOL

Re: What is the explanation for this?
tim k #536228 06/07/21 08:13 PM
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 2,913
Likes: 54
A
Online Content
A
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 2,913
Likes: 54
I'd be green with envy except that nowadays south Texans have to deal with border issues that I'd rather avoid. eek

Last edited by anthropic; 06/07/21 08:14 PM.

8ac, full 3/16. CNBG, RES, FHM 10/15; TP 5/16; FLMB 6/16. 100 12" NLMB & 1k GSH 10/17,L, 150# TP & 70 HSB 5/18. 1k PK 11/18. 100# TP 4/19, 200# RBT 12/19, 10k TFS 3/20, 100#TP 5/20, 25 HSB & 250 F1 9/20,L,180# RBT 12/20, 206, 7k TFS,100#TP 5/21, 207



1 member likes this: Vortex 4
Re: What is the explanation for this?
tim k #536234 06/08/21 05:45 AM
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 343
Likes: 5
T
tim k Offline OP
Member
OP Offline
Member
T
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 343
Likes: 5
Yes I stopped hunting down there after this past season - we were near Eagle Pass for 13 years and I had never seen anything close to what went on this past season - they were walking into our camp at night while we were sitting around the fire and demanding food and water. The Border Patrol told us many of them were armed and carrying drugs - the threw a tire through one of mobile home windows and broke in - totally out of control and dangerous for sure

Re: What is the explanation for this?
tim k #536235 06/08/21 06:35 AM
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 14,935
Likes: 38
D
Moderator
Lunker
Offline
Moderator
Lunker
D
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 14,935
Likes: 38
It’s gonna get worse


It's not about the fish. It's about the pond. Take care of the pond and the fish will be fine. PB subscriber since before it was in color.

Without a sense of urgency, Nothing ever gets done.

Boy, if I say "sic em", you'd better look for something to bite. Sam Shelley Rancher and Farmer Muleshoe Texas 1892-1985 RIP
Re: What is the explanation for this?
tim k #536276 06/08/21 07:41 PM
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 3,205
Likes: 8
Editor, Pond Boss Magazine
Lunker
Offline
Editor, Pond Boss Magazine
Lunker
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 3,205
Likes: 8
One big reason those south Texas ponds, lakes, and "tanks" grow huge fish is pretty simple. My very first pond management client was a hunting ranch northwest of Laredo in 1983. Learned some interesting lessons there. First off, they have a 365 day growing season for bluegills. Second, those ponds ebb and flow with water. A 30 acre lake today may be three acres in two years, then fill back up with a tropical storm coming across from Baja. When those water bodies drop in size, big fish grow huge, small fish are eaten, and the fishery adjusts to its environmental circumstances. As the water drops, fish eat each other. When the lake fills again, forage fish spawn like crazy. They've got more room, "new" habitat, and a fertile food chain enriched by mineral-laden soils. Perfect circumstances with a favorable climate.


Teach a man to grow fish...
He can teach to catch fish...
2 members like this: Vortex 4, anthropic
Re: What is the explanation for this?
Bob Lusk #536288 06/08/21 11:51 PM
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 2,913
Likes: 54
A
Online Content
A
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 2,913
Likes: 54
Bob, my very first exposure to an insane trophy bass fishery was Lake Jackson in Tallahassee back in the 1960s. Field & Stream had articles about all the massive fish caught there, 10 lbers being common and up to 14 lb. Red's fish camp on the lake had plenty of mounts of fish that seemed beyond belief.

Lake Jackson's tale was similar to what you describe. The lake dried up in the 1950s, as water levels fell in sinkholes. Then, a few years later, the water came back, inundating new homes & fields on the old lake bottom. Shortly thereafter, incredible results.

It didn't last, of course. People routinely harvested every big fish back in those days, the "keepers", and even a fishing paradise can only supply so many lunkers. Our largest was around 7 lb, which we kept just like everybody else did. frown

Last edited by anthropic; 06/09/21 12:04 AM.

8ac, full 3/16. CNBG, RES, FHM 10/15; TP 5/16; FLMB 6/16. 100 12" NLMB & 1k GSH 10/17,L, 150# TP & 70 HSB 5/18. 1k PK 11/18. 100# TP 4/19, 200# RBT 12/19, 10k TFS 3/20, 100#TP 5/20, 25 HSB & 250 F1 9/20,L,180# RBT 12/20, 206, 7k TFS,100#TP 5/21, 207



Re: What is the explanation for this?
anthropic #536333 06/09/21 04:18 PM
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 379
Likes: 16
Online Content
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 379
Likes: 16
Originally Posted by anthropic
Bob, my very first exposure to an insane trophy bass fishery was Lake Jackson in Tallahassee back in the 1960s. Field & Stream had articles about all the massive fish caught there, 10 lbers being common and up to 14 lb. Red's fish camp on the lake had plenty of mounts of fish that seemed beyond belief.

Lake Jackson's tale was similar to what you describe. The lake dried up in the 1950s, as water levels fell in sinkholes. Then, a few years later, the water came back, inundating new homes & fields on the old lake bottom. Shortly thereafter, incredible results.

It didn't last, of course. People routinely harvested every big fish back in those days, the "keepers", and even a fishing paradise can only supply so many lunkers. Our largest was around 7 lb, which we kept just like everybody else did. frown

Yep, humans gotta ruin everything. I think catch-and-release has caught on, at least in the bass fishing world, but there's still people that think they need to keep everything they catch, but I won't start on that lol.

Re: What is the explanation for this?
tim k #536365 06/10/21 11:56 AM
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 20,624
Likes: 60
E
Moderator
Hall of Fame 2014
Lunker
Offline
Moderator
Hall of Fame 2014
Lunker
E
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 20,624
Likes: 60
A quality lake/pond requires proper harvest in conjunction with natural mortality. Catch and release can be just as bad as keeping them all. A BG/LMB pond with only hook and line (fishing) as the method of harvest will move toward uncatchable fish quickly (3 generations). Lots here on these subjects.
















Re: What is the explanation for this?
ewest #536376 06/10/21 03:39 PM
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 379
Likes: 16
Online Content
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 379
Likes: 16
Originally Posted by ewest
A quality lake/pond requires proper harvest in conjunction with natural mortality. Catch and release can be just as bad as keeping them all. A BG/LMB pond with only hook and line (fishing) as the method of harvest will move toward uncatchable fish quickly (3 generations). Lots here on these subjects.

Yes, I agree with that, I was referring to anthropic's mention of Lake Jackson, which I assume is a public BoW, and people harvesting too many trophies from it back in the day.

Re: What is the explanation for this?
Steve_ #536416 06/11/21 04:40 PM
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 2,913
Likes: 54
A
Online Content
A
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 2,913
Likes: 54
A pity we didn't know then what we know now. Slot limits would have helped tremendously. Of course, the general public would not have supported such a course, as big bass were "keepers" that could be harvested without much concern so long as the small fish were released.

Last edited by anthropic; 06/11/21 04:50 PM.

8ac, full 3/16. CNBG, RES, FHM 10/15; TP 5/16; FLMB 6/16. 100 12" NLMB & 1k GSH 10/17,L, 150# TP & 70 HSB 5/18. 1k PK 11/18. 100# TP 4/19, 200# RBT 12/19, 10k TFS 3/20, 100#TP 5/20, 25 HSB & 250 F1 9/20,L,180# RBT 12/20, 206, 7k TFS,100#TP 5/21, 207



1 member likes this: Steve_
Re: What is the explanation for this?
tim k #536422 06/11/21 09:20 PM
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 379
Likes: 16
Online Content
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 379
Likes: 16
I follow a lot of Catfishing pages on Facebook, and most people don't have any issues with taking 30, 40, 50+ pound catfish from public waters, not realizing how long it takes for fish to get that size, and the potential negative impacts it may have. Their excuse is always: "It's not illegal, so there's nothing wrong with it" or my favorite, "why do you care what someone else does with the fish they catch?" I know Bass and Catfish are different, and I feel like *most* bass fishermen release their catches nowadays. Catfishermen are a different story.

Sorry, getting off topic here.

1 member likes this: anthropic
Re: What is the explanation for this?
tim k #536428 06/11/21 11:12 PM
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 2,913
Likes: 54
A
Online Content
A
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 2,913
Likes: 54
Yeah, Steve, it takes a while for attitudes to change. Bass anglers are far more conservation minded these days, hopefully this will gradually lead to changes in catfish anglers, too. The tools, knowledge, and sheer numbers of fishermen now require us to be good stewards if our kids are to enjoy the sport in the future.

One thing I really like about Pond Boss is the emphasis on limiting harvest of the biggest bluegill, redear, coppernose, etc. Even more than catfish, they've been thought of only as food (hence the name panfish) without much consideration to their importance to the fish ecosystem or trophy potential. That's beginning to change.

Last edited by anthropic; 06/12/21 05:44 PM.

8ac, full 3/16. CNBG, RES, FHM 10/15; TP 5/16; FLMB 6/16. 100 12" NLMB & 1k GSH 10/17,L, 150# TP & 70 HSB 5/18. 1k PK 11/18. 100# TP 4/19, 200# RBT 12/19, 10k TFS 3/20, 100#TP 5/20, 25 HSB & 250 F1 9/20,L,180# RBT 12/20, 206, 7k TFS,100#TP 5/21, 207



Re: What is the explanation for this?
tim k #536430 06/11/21 11:14 PM
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 25,430
Likes: 109
Moderator
Ambassador
Field Correspondent
Lunker
Offline
Moderator
Ambassador
Field Correspondent
Lunker
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 25,430
Likes: 109
Here the commercial fishermen like to harvest the bigger cats and sell them to pay lakes for $$.


www.hoosierpondpros.com


http://www.pondboss.com/subscribe.asp?c=4
3/4 to 1 1/4 ac pond LMB, SMB, PS, BG, RES, CC, YP, Bardello BG, (RBT & Blue Tilapia - seasonal).
Re: What is the explanation for this?
esshup #536434 06/11/21 11:23 PM
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 2,913
Likes: 54
A
Online Content
A
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 2,913
Likes: 54
Wow. Wonder how those fish do in the pay lakes, or maybe they are harvested so quickly nobody cares. Seems a waste, those 30 and 40 lbers will never reach 60 or 80 plus.

Last edited by anthropic; 06/11/21 11:24 PM.

8ac, full 3/16. CNBG, RES, FHM 10/15; TP 5/16; FLMB 6/16. 100 12" NLMB & 1k GSH 10/17,L, 150# TP & 70 HSB 5/18. 1k PK 11/18. 100# TP 4/19, 200# RBT 12/19, 10k TFS 3/20, 100#TP 5/20, 25 HSB & 250 F1 9/20,L,180# RBT 12/20, 206, 7k TFS,100#TP 5/21, 207



Re: What is the explanation for this?
anthropic #536437 06/11/21 11:40 PM
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 25,430
Likes: 109
Moderator
Ambassador
Field Correspondent
Lunker
Offline
Moderator
Ambassador
Field Correspondent
Lunker
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 25,430
Likes: 109
Originally Posted by anthropic
Wow. Wonder how those fish do in the pay lakes, or maybe they are harvested so quickly nobody cares. Seems a waste, those 30 and 40 lbers will never reach 60 or 80 plus.

That's what the big complaint is here about no slot size for the catfish, either personal or commercial fishing.


www.hoosierpondpros.com


http://www.pondboss.com/subscribe.asp?c=4
3/4 to 1 1/4 ac pond LMB, SMB, PS, BG, RES, CC, YP, Bardello BG, (RBT & Blue Tilapia - seasonal).

Link Copied to Clipboard
Today's Birthdays
benji havens
Recent Posts
What did you do at your pond today?
by Steve_ - 06/21/21 04:07 PM
Bass Seem a bit Skinny
by Steve_ - 06/21/21 04:03 PM
Pushed shrubs into pond
by Steve_ - 06/21/21 03:55 PM
Help with forage base!
by JChanse - 06/21/21 01:24 PM
Drain and Bulldoze, or Excavate?
by Theo Gallus - 06/21/21 01:08 PM
how to fertilize bermuda grass at ponds edge
by Flame - 06/21/21 01:01 PM
help only other option is electrofishing
by ewest - 06/21/21 09:15 AM
Plant ID?
by Theo Gallus - 06/21/21 08:06 AM
Aeration setup
by markey - 06/21/21 07:46 AM
Been along time.. Feeder Question
by Dave Davidson1 - 06/21/21 07:10 AM
Thoughts on a new 2.7 acre pond stocking
by jpsdad - 06/21/21 06:51 AM
Tiny crappie pond, need advice
by Missionshooter - 06/20/21 08:51 PM
Newly Uploaded Images
RES vs PS
RES vs PS
by crimsondave, June 4
Gravid?
Gravid?
by Shorty, May 28
Blue on Black
Blue on Black
by Shorty, May 27
Syphon System
Syphon System
by Deancutler, May 19
Fungus on Bluegill
Fungus on Bluegill
by Hunter_59, May 7

� 2014 POND BOSS INC. all rights reserved USA and Worldwide

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.4