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Yank Out GSF ?
#533159 03/30/21 08:28 PM
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I have a recently renovated pond expansion from 1/2 to 1 acre pond. I have some large Channel Cat ( haven't seen no small ones when I feed, probably GSF probably slowed that down) and GSF . I have took out close to 2 Home Depot buckets full of the GSF , I don't think I am ever going to get them all out. I have been fertilizing and hoping to purchase 400 BG , 50 LMB , 100 Red Ears and FHM's. My question is " are the GSF going to eat up all the BG future eggs and fry ? " I did make spawning beds for BG. Could I go ahead and keep pulling GSF out for a week or two , then stock and not worry about rest and just yank them out when we catch them ? Any help would be appreciated on this matter , THANKS IN ADVANCE !!!!

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SCRUFFY48 #533164 03/30/21 08:53 PM
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If it were my pond, yes, I'd keep yanking the GSF out. Some people prefer them over BG though, due to their higher aggressiveness. With a larger mouth gape, they will definitely compete for food with your other species, and in a lot of cases, win that competition.

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SCRUFFY48 #533165 03/30/21 08:56 PM
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I like GSF but not as well as I like BG and RES. I know a lot people say there is no difference in the their flavor ... but in my experience ... their flesh isn't as firm and they are very susceptible to black spot. Also, their guts have a foul odor comparatively. I can't explain why to any of this but it has been my experience where I fish for them in Northern OK. Once you get some LMB going, they'll thin 'em down. Stock advanced fingerlings >6", CC and GSF will eat the 2" to 3" fingerling LMB as snacks.


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SCRUFFY48 #533195 03/31/21 10:09 AM
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How are you taking the green sunfish out? traps? if not, build and use them - they are very easy to catch especially if they are coming to feed


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Matzilla #533784 04/11/21 05:20 PM
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Matt, I sent you a PM looking for any input on the fish trap suggestion. I too have a GSF "problem" with a new pond. Thanks!


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SCRUFFY48 #534400 04/26/21 10:11 AM
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Scruffy:

Back in 2003 / 2004, I was extremely concerned about green sunfish and bullhead catfish in my new 17 acre pond. I tried trapping, fishing, etc. with little real impact. Experts on here told me not to worry. That the stocked large mouth bass, channel cats, redear, bluegill, and hybrid striped bass would soon dominate. They did. I think it took about 5 or 6 years; but... I can't remember the last time I saw or caught either a green sunfish or a bullhead catfish in my pond.

Of note, I also had green sunfish get into a smaller pond (about an acre) - apparently came up an overflow from a creek during a rain event. I only have small mouth bass in that pond and they are most definitely NOT controlling the green sunfish. I'm hesitant to add LMB to that pond because I wanted it as a dedicated SMB / redear pond and the LMB would likely dominate. Plan was to develop another pond to transfer the SMB to and then drain / kill off the GSF.

Brother had GSF get into a 3.5 acre pond he had (again - probably up overflow during rain event). He didn't really want any fish in it; but agreed to have four HSB (in the 4 pound range) placed in the pond. I haven't checked if they were able to provide any control. I know they probably don't provide as good a control as LMB would; but he really didn't want fish in the pond and LMB would have resulted in a breeding LMB population.


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Holy crap it’s a ranger sighting! Welcome back brother we’ve missed ya!


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Welcome home Ranger.

Yours sounds like a common experience. GSF are known to swim and jump (up to 30 ft IIRC) from pipes to get to a new home.
















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SCRUFFY48 #534438 04/27/21 12:15 PM
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Thanks Guys! Got married, had a son, took on bunch more responsibility at home and work... Not much time. Then the COVID19 wave hit so I've been VERY involved with COVID19 stuff for the past 13 months or so. Pretty burnt out so going to try to prioritize some fun stuff this year and maybe some long delayed work on several ponds.

Have barely taken time to fish in the 17 acre pond over the past 17 years! I'm sure I need to add structure and thin out LMB pretty severely. Not sure what is really in it anymore. Have caught LMB up to about 10 pounds, CC in the 15 pound range, HSB in 8 to 10 pound range, RE close to 2 pounds, and some BG in the pound range; but really need to see what is in there now and manage it. Fish feeder quit. Bought another identical Texas Hunter fish feeder (largest size) which should be delivered soon. I'm hoping I'll be able to swap parts between the two to figure out what is wrong with the older one and get them both going.

Did make time last year to convert an old pontoon boat into a barge so could transfer zero turn mower to / from the island. That works pretty well. Have another old pontoon boat planning to fix up. Have also planted Dunstan Chestnut, Apple, Peach, Pear, Persimmon, and Mulberry trees on the island. Most of them are doing well.

Considering buying a regular polydock or something. Should probably post asking for experiences / recommendations on that...


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Originally Posted by Rangersedge
Thanks Guys! Got married, had a son, took on bunch more responsibility at home and work... Not much time. Then the COVID19 wave hit so I've been VERY involved with COVID19 stuff for the past 13 months or so. Pretty burnt out so going to try to prioritize some fun stuff this year and maybe some long delayed work on several ponds.

Have barely taken time to fish in the 17 acre pond over the past 17 years! I'm sure I need to add structure and thin out LMB pretty severely. Not sure what is really in it anymore. Have caught LMB up to about 10 pounds, CC in the 15 pound range, HSB in 8 to 10 pound range, RE close to 2 pounds, and some BG in the pound range; but really need to see what is in there now and manage it. Fish feeder quit. Bought another identical Texas Hunter fish feeder (largest size) which should be delivered soon. I'm hoping I'll be able to swap parts between the two to figure out what is wrong with the older one and get them both going.

Did make time last year to convert an old pontoon boat into a barge so could transfer zero turn mower to / from the island. That works pretty well. Have another old pontoon boat planning to fix up. Have also planted Dunstan Chestnut, Apple, Peach, Pear, Persimmon, and Mulberry trees on the island. Most of them are doing well.

Considering buying a regular polydock or something. Should probably post asking for experiences / recommendations on that...

I'll send you a PM regarding the feeder.


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Good to hear from you Ranger


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