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Re: Building new forage mini pond
jpsdad #527847 11/21/20 07:30 PM
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I fed ten pounds of starter, 40 pounds of Optimal Jr and I have no idea how much Aquamax MVP and 500.

Liver......hmmm. Thought about just trying worms and a bobber where the water is cold now. Might have to try it.

Nasty, rainy cold out there today. I'm yearning to head south but stuck here till about mid December because of obligations.


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I still cast a vote for https://stubbysteve.com/. Give Stacy a call or email.


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snrub, I'm headed your way next weekend.. should I bring a tank?? I'd buy a handful of your HSB if you have a few to spare?


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Agree with Esshup about the Stubby Steves, especially if you toss out some feed first. They are my go to BG bait.


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Originally Posted by Snipe
snrub, I'm headed your way next weekend.. should I bring a tank?? I'd buy a handful of your HSB if you have a few to spare?

You are welcome to get a bunch if you want.

You would be welcome to pretty much as many as you want if you could bring a seine and I could put a few more in my ponds during the exercise. Maybe we could sucker Rusty to come over and help out and get some.

If we could get something like that done I would pump the pond down some so we could get it done.

Looks like 50 degrees and pretty good weather next weekend. Being a diver I have a wetsuit and I could do anything that involved getting wet.

I'm game if you are.


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snrub #527870 11/22/20 08:59 AM
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This sounds like good fun.
You guys, please post a video of John "swimming with the fishes". "Diving for Wipers", yes indeed!

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It is just a few hours drive across beautiful western Kansas if you want to join us. grin grin laugh


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And even prettier once you hit the Flint Hills in eastern Kansas!

Who knew that John's forage mini pond would become a leading tourist attraction in the state of Kansas laugh

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Originally Posted by snrub
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snrub, I'm headed your way next weekend.. should I bring a tank?? I'd buy a handful of your HSB if you have a few to spare?

You are welcome to get a bunch if you want.

You would be welcome to pretty much as many as you want if you could bring a seine and I could put a few more in my ponds during the exercise. Maybe we could sucker Rusty to come over and help out and get some.

If we could get something like that done I would pump the pond down some so we could get it done.

Looks like 50 degrees and pretty good weather next weekend. Being a diver I have a wetsuit and I could do anything that involved getting wet.

I'm game if you are.
I'll bring 40' seine.. I can sure help you move some fish, be glad to help get what you need moved to main pond.


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That would be great. When you get closer to time let me know when you will be here. I will get the pallets out of the pond and try to start pumping the pond down in a time frame that will keep it full as long as possible. I'm afraid pumping it down too early or too much too early might lead to a fish kill if I get them crowded in too small of puddle for too long.

If you have any suggestions on this I am all ears. I do have aeration I can turn back on if needed but probably need to pull the diffuser during the seine process. This will be new territory for me.


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Re: Building new forage mini pond
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Originally Posted by snrub
That would be great. When you get closer to time let me know when you will be here. I will get the pallets out of the pond and try to start pumping the pond down in a time frame that will keep it full as long as possible. I'm afraid pumping it down too early or too much too early might lead to a fish kill if I get them crowded in too small of puddle for too long.

If you have any suggestions on this I am all ears. I do have aeration I can turn back on if needed but probably need to pull the diffuser during the seine process. This will be new territory for me.

Pump it down, and run the diffusers as long as possible, then yank them, or just get in the water when seining and pick the seine up over the diffusers.

Better to seine 2x-3x than to crowd all the fish into one big pull. The HSB will wipe the slime off of each other when crowded. Make sure you salt the transport water heavily if just moving the HSB, you can go really heavy on the salt. 3-10 g/l. i.e. 7 -10 pounds of salt per 100 gal of water isn't too much for them.


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Now I told ya friends call me Rusto... As long as you dont do it on a day we have Thanksgiving dinners. Hell yes I'm down like Ol' James Brown.


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Make certain that salt is very pure. Even a little additive, too small to be labeled, can mean death to the fish.


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Yeah, I'd hate to try and count how many fish I've moved...I'll have salt and electrolyte, specifically for this.
Just call me Salt dip snipe...or just dip.


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snrub #527900 11/22/20 08:55 PM
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Good deal I'm past due to soak in some wisdom. Last time my survival rate was right at 50%. That's of the ones that floated. I looked at walmart for a seine net and parsons dont carry them. What do you recommend someone bring to transport fish. I'm sure alot of people could learn alil that. Maybe a separate thread. Sorry not tryin to get off topic. Ever heard I do that from time to time.

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I use solar salt for water softeners when transporting fish. For what to use, that all depends on the amount of fish to be transported at once (pounds). To be on the safe side, plan on 1/2 pound max per gallon of water and use pure O2 for an Oxygen source.

I cannot give you any advice on transporting fish without using Pure O2 (like O2 you would use for brazing or cutting steel).

I have transported some BG in a 120 qt cooler just by using a bilge pump and a spray bar that sprayed the recirculated water down into the cooler, but that was an hour tops drive.


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I use aviator Ox when temps are above 55 degs or packing large numbers. We use Fish-C-haul and electrolyte. I like to use electrolyte on long trips because it sedates fish and lowers respiration substantially. I do not use salt on long trips. Bilge pump (aerator pump is best because it's made for extended run times) with spray bar is adequate in most cases. Keep in mind a fine mist pattern is better than circulating large amounts of water that "appear" to stir water. Surface area exposed to atmosphere is key. Spray nozzle made for 50+ gal/acre are good if you run a filter around pump base.
I have a large capacity capability RS, If it works out I can haul yours also.
I'm bringing several different seines so don't worry about that. Hopefully we can help snrub get what he needs moved.
I will also bring the items needed to show you guys how I "clean" fish for transfer. Gives them the best chance for survival.
Maybe we can get some pics and document the operation here for future reference?

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Originally Posted by Snipe
I use aviator Ox when temps are above 55 degs or packing large numbers. We use Fish-C-haul and electrolyte. I like to use electrolyte on long trips because it sedates fish and lowers respiration substantially. I do not use salt on long trips. Bilge pump (aerator pump is best because it's made for extended run times) with spray bar is adequate in most cases. Keep in mind a fine mist pattern is better than circulating large amounts of water that "appear" to stir water. Surface area exposed to atmosphere is key. Spray nozzle made for 50+ gal/acre are good if you run a filter around pump base.
I have a large capacity capability RS, If it works out I can haul yours also.
I'm bringing several different seines so don't worry about that. Hopefully we can help snrub get what he needs moved.
I will also bring the items needed to show you guys how I "clean" fish for transfer. Gives them the best chance for survival.
Maybe we can get some pics and document the operation here for future reference?

That sounds great. I am rounding up what I need to pump the pond down. We are selling out our farm equipment and I have sold the three 3" pumps I had but my nephews bought two of them and they are still parked in my shed so one is going to get used. I have to figure out an intake screen so will not suck up the fish.

The pond is 8' deep at one tiny spot in the middle so I figured pump it down about 3 feet which would probably be 2/3 the water volume.

It was originally paint roller shaped but then I expanded it along the east and north sides with a backhoe and dozer so we may have to seine those two areas seperately.

There are a bunch of RES in there also which we can sort them out and guys can take some of them also if they want.

I figure whatever is left in the pond after seining it a few times will just stay there in what water is left waiting for the next rain to fill the pond up. They will be there for the winter.


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Sounds good to me. Do you guys have a day in mind? Snipe i wouldnt want you to have to drive out of your way. You already have a long drive. But if it's on your way it would be nice. Hated losing half of them within a couples days last time.


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I go through Parsons so not out of my way. Saturday would work great for me if that works for you guys.


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I think Saturday will work for me. High of 48° with 25% percent chance of rain. Not afraid of it just saying we gotta pull out the big girl panties lol.


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I'm good with Saturday.

I have a 3" pump. I wonder when to start pumping before you arrive? It is a tiny 1/20th acre pond. I would not think it would take very long to drop it 2-3 feet.

Just trying to figure out the logistics. Are you thinking Saturday morning or afternoon?


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16,000 gallons/foot on that size pond. What is your capacity on that 3" pump?

John,

Son just got back from college today. Said he would be available to help if you guys need two more sets of hands. He has long, skinny arms - he might be able to reach fish on the bottom WITHOUT drawing down the pond!

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Just name a time and I will be there.


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I'll head your way snrub about 9am. we can assess the situation., RS we'll see ya when you get there.


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