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Re: What did you do at your pond today?
anthropic #526306 09/25/20 07:29 PM
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Hi Augie, Hope you enjoyed the races at Lucas, Jesse was my cousin. We use to race against him, and I also helped him out some. We really miss him! John

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Originally Posted by anthropic
Electro harvested 56 bass, pretty much completing goal for the year. They definitely looked better than they did in May, though maybe some of that is comparing with post-spawn fish back then.

Loads of CNBG, from small to big. Some large HSB and a few tilapia, as well. No threadfin shad seen, so I'll need to restock in spring. Golden shiners might be worthwhile, too.

Stocked 25 8 to 10 inch HSB to replenish original 70. Also stocked 250 F1 LMB in 3 to 4 inch range to add some genetic diversity. Most will be eaten, but even if only a fraction survive it will be nice.

My water is soft, so they had to up the voltage. I plan to add 21 tons of ag lime soon to amend this issue. Ethan said that I need to get a lot more cover in the pond, particularly hardwood trees & shrubs. As it is, bass have to cruise the shoreline to chase forage, which limits their ability to put on weight, even though forage is abundant.

Also plan on stocking rainbow trout in early December as they become available. Last year they added much to winter fishing fun, and I have a friend who absolutely loves to eat them. Ethan told me that rainbow are getting a more popular with pond owners, orders tripled just last year.

Frank. What was the determining factor when removing the 56 lmb? Length, weight. stunted or males? I am also wondering about the hsb. I am not so sure elec fishing for hsb gives a good picture since we are just now coming out of our summer water temps where the hsb most likely held close to the bottom due to cooler temps, so you think the hsb have moved up to the shallows where the e survey picks up the fish? I am thinking you may have more than the survey showed. None of this is really my concern, i guess i am just nosey smile


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No problem with question, Tracy. I posted to remind myself of what happened so I don't forget, and also to help others who may face similar situations.

General rule of thumb I go by is to harvest 25 pounds of LMB per acre per year. For me, that's in the 200 to 250 LMB range, considering my average harvested fish is probably around 3/4-7/8 pound. Some are bigger, of course, but some are smaller, too. Try to focus on skinny fish, mostly males. I'd already harvested 139 before the electro harvest, so 56 more put me close to target.

If fish relative weights aren't great, I may harvest more. If RW looks good, I may harvest less. Electro guy told me that I probably have done enough now, bass are definitely healthier and not so abundant as to cause issues. Okay to take out really thin fish, but not absolutely necessary.

Somehow he could tell male from female LMB and did not harvest any females in good shape, even if less than 12 inches. Males got ruder treatment, but then we live in a feminist era.

I think part of his recommendation was based on how well the CNBG were doing, from YOY to bigguns. I feed, plus I grow some in a forage pond, which helps. Interestingly, the YOY CNBG moved to the rocks on the dam after their former home, the bushy pondweed, was knocked back. Lots for predators to eat, even though they must chase more than they should.

You're right about HSB, though they did see some nice ones. I'll harvest a few by hook & line this fall.

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Went fishing and caught a fat 7# bass on a 5” pearl cane thumper under a Owner flashy swimmer! Should have hauled her to my neighbors lake but I was on the far side of lake and nothing to put her in .....

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KR78 - we always enjoy the races at LOS. I've only missed one of the Jesse/Daniel memorials. Do you go to that? We should connect next year if you do.

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Removed some biomass from the pond and transferred it to the fridge (well, half of one ended up in my belly). grin

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Nice HSB ! Like the condition and harvest timing.
















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Originally Posted by esshup
Removed some biomass from the pond and transferred it to the fridge (well, half of one ended up in my belly). grin

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What's your favorite recipe for these bad boys? I've never eaten one...


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Replenished feeders, made MUCH MUCH easier by a little gravel roadwork so we can approach by car rather than trekking through brambles and hidden rocks while lugging 50 lb bags. We got feeder going in forage pond just to see what was happening and got a good response, obviously the four or five CNBG we stocked there have spawned. grin

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I picked up a fishing rod and Sam(Golden Retriever) and headed to the pond as the morning sun came up. It was my first fishing trip since my fish kill back in July. We sat on the pier and fishing a drop shot rig we managed to catch 5 lmb. The lmb came in different sizes. The smallest was an 8" and the largest was in the 4 to 4 1/2 lb sized. I was really surprised to catch the larger sized lmb. I never expected to see that sized in the pond because of the fish kill we had. All the fish looked to be nice and healthy and a little on the fat side. While spending around an hr or so on the pier we had two flights of Blue Winged Teal come in on us. They were determined to land on the pond and paid little attention that we were there. They were something to see as the fly over with the wind whistling over their wings What a great morning it was at the pond.

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So glad to hear that there are still some great fish in your pond, Tracy! I guess this reduction in biomass sets the stage for possibly faster & safer growth, almost like starting again. I've found the same pleasure in watching birds as you, except for those Z@#!&% cormorants.

By the way, how is the bushy pondweed doing now? Had mine treated with herbicide, about 95 percent of surface stuff vanished and has not come back. Still there on bottom, though, so it will try to return next spring. Hope grass carp will help keep in check next year.

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Often when some fish are stressed a few who are able to continue functioning will feast on the stressed. Good example - we rotenoned part of a lake and the non stressed fish from the other end of the lake moved to the transition zone ( where clean water met rotenone) and dined on the dying fish. Got out a rod and caught 9 big LMB ( 5-7 lbs) on 11 casts using an injured shad lure .
















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Never heard of rotenone just part of a lake. Was this a deliberate strategy to feed some of the fish to others?


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Originally Posted by anthropic
Never heard of rotenone just part of a lake. Was this a deliberate strategy to feed some of the fish to others?

Up here they will use a low dose of Rotenone to kill Gizzard Shad, they are more susceptible to the Rotenone than the other native fish in the lakes. It won't kill all the shad, but a big portion of them. One local lake had 60% of it's fish biomass in Gizzard Shad.


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esshup has good information. Also partial treatment using rotenone, often applying it to just one shoreline, is used to reduce or thin out small fish. Partial treatments using rotenone can be used a management tools as noted in several fishery books.

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In this case we did about 1/3 of the lake to reduce trash fish. This was a river effected (about every 3rd year) oxbow type lake. Done in conjunction with Wildlife and Fisheries as they also wanted to see the results also. After everyone was finished I decided to fish.

Have also seen rotenone used on spawning beds to limit reproduction. Guarding fish swim off and rotenone mixture is poured around encircling the nest site.

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My contractor informed me that he found a spring when he lifted up a ~500 pound quartz rock. Bad news is, it was found when he was digging the core trench for the dam. So, he's pushing my dam back about 25 more feet into the woods to allow the spring to infiltrate into the pond, and not inside the dam. This will require more tree removal. Good news is, this will ultimately make my pond bigger than I had anticipated.

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I was not aware that gizzard shad were particularly susceptible to rotenone. Perhaps this lowers the risk of stocking them.


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Sharing an interesting article about rotenone laced pellets to selectively target carp.
I'm surprised the company making the pellets didn't continue to try to add more fish meal or other 'flavorants' to cover the 'taste' that made fish spit it out. There is a fairly large need for a selective pellet based fish removal tool. Who ever made my Optimal make my hands smell awful at the same time made fish go crazy over its taste. They probably could take over this research!

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canyon - If we had palatable for fish rotenone pellet how would we keep the game fish from also eating the pellets?


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Originally Posted by canyoncreek
Sharing an interesting article about rotenone laced pellets to selectively target carp.
I'm surprised the company making the pellets didn't continue to try to add more fish meal or other 'flavorants' to cover the 'taste' that made fish spit it out. There is a fairly large need for a selective pellet based fish removal tool. Who ever made my Optimal make my hands smell awful at the same time made fish go crazy over its taste. They probably could take over this research!

Rotenone pellet study

Huh, I didn't think rotenone worked like that. From my understanding, it prevents the fish's cells from absorbing oxygen, thus suffocating it. I had no idea it would still be effective, even if processed through the liver. I read the study, and I'm being nit-picky here, but they never actually verified that it was, in fact, the rotenone-laced pellet that killed the fish. They basically said they found "material that could've resembled that of a fish pellet" in their stomachs. They also never mentioned how much rotenone was in each pellet. My initial thought was that the rotenone could've leeched into the water and that's what caused the few fish deaths they experienced. I just don't know how you could only target one species of fish with this tactic, like Bill said.

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One way that food laced with chemicals could be selective is by having it be at different heights in the water column. A heavier pellet that would sink rapidly would target more catfish and carp rather than BG or LMB.
Even if you did floating pellets isn't it the desire of every pond meister to reduce number of bluegill, GSF, and 14" or smaller LMB?
Certainly this wouldn't be a great option for ponds with pellet trained HSB
Not sure WE or SMB would be at risk depending on how pellet trained they are.

A larger pellet size would be a more selective way to target different fish. Large 'hand toss' pellets may not be as readily consumed by panfish
Different fish have a different 'lethal dose'. Papers show befenthrin as a neurotoxin is more selective for carp than for gamefish in lower concentrations.
Could consider a breadball laced with chemical or a different medium (fish fillet scraps soaked in toxin?) compared to a pellet.

It seems these studies are pursued in relatively small ponds, canals, impoundments where the goal of eradicating catfish or carp temporarily is a larger priority than any simultaneous loss of gamefish or panfish.

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Whoa Nellie - not all pondmeisters desire to grow big LMB. Granted that seems to be the majority of folks interest but there are a lot of us that focus on other species - especially if the goal is table fare. I personally enjoy catching a 9" - 10" BG (sadly I have never caught one bigger than 10") as much as I do a large LMB. To me a big BG is more of a rare occurrence than a say an 8# LMB. As long as there are enough bass and no spawning habitat, channel cats can be controlled and provide great table fare - the key being to harvest which goes back to table fare.

My pond is 1-1/4 acres and was here when I bought the place. If it was bigger and I started from scratch the trophy LMB fishery might be a goal but adding habitat is difficult when the pond is already full. It doesn't take too much fishing to overfish a small pond and get hook shy LMB. I like to fish so I want species that I can wet a hook and do some catching not just fishing - especially when the grandkids are here. Maybe I am just not a good LMB fisherman.................

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I went fishing yesterday with a small rooster tail and caught what is in the attached picture. The picture isn't very good and I didn't realize it before I let it go. Unfortunately I didn't get the tail in the pic. I think I hooked something like this but around 8" or so a while back. It shook loose as I was pulling it out of the water and didn't get a great look so just assumed it was a young LMB but after catching this I am pretty sure it wasn't an LMB.

I pulled up some pics of golden shiners and shad but I am not sure. In the pics I saw I didn't see the dark line running the length of the body. I have never stocked anything but FHM, BG and CC to add to the existing LMB base when I bought the place. A friend added me to a FHM and BG stocking route that a small fishery was making for some ponds he manages a couple of years ago. I have since decided to never use that fishery for other reasons. Lately I have caught an RES and now these. These are coming from somewhere and it is possible they were always here but seems like I am catching things I never have before and did not put in myself.

Can someone positively ID this fish - again, sorry about the pic. Also, how do I get an image to show up in the text instead of an attachment? When I click on the "Insert Image" link it asks for a URL address.

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Bullhead, gizzard shad, golden shiner and green sunfish. I'm not sure yours is but maybe a hybrid striped bass?
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