Pond Boss Magazine
https://www.pondboss.com/images/userfiles/image/20130301193901_6_150by50orangewhyshouldsubscribejpeg.jpg
Advertisment
Newest Members
Rrobin, rneely, hellaparker, 1776, Jacob
16854 Registered Users
Forum Statistics
Forums36
Topics38,221
Posts518,516
Members16,854
Most Online3,583
Jan 15th, 2020
Top Posters
esshup 24,444
ewest 20,289
Cecil Baird1 20,043
Bill Cody 13,439
Who's Online Now
11 members (Fyfer123, MisterA, Funky, TGW1, crimsondave, Theo Gallus, RAH, KenHorton, Downrigger56304, rtripple, Shorty), 222 guests, and 433 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Albino Catfish mystery
#525364 08/31/20 01:22 PM
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 13
B
OP Offline
B
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 13
I have a 4.75 acre spring fed pond that is about 17-18 feet at it's deepest, but averages probably 13 feet deep and it's often as clear as tap water. I put in 25 full size albino catfish a year ago in the spring (at $10 a piece - ouch) and when I would hand feed from the dock with floating food they would come up. Not all of them, but it was typical to have 20 of them come up and eat. We had a mild winter in Indiana, but I've not seen a single albino catfish since last summer. I still feed from the dock and some of the smaller channels that I stocked are coming up, but no albinos.

Could something have eaten all of them over the winter? I've never seen any dead floating albinos and generally, never see any floating fish as the pond is very healthy. We do get some big snapping turtles in our pond sometimes from the creek next to us. Could they have cleared them out? I have walleye too, but I don't think they would go after a full size albino.

This was a pay-lake 30 or more years ago so there's some interesting fish in it, just nothing that I think could eat a full size albino catfish. Thanks.

Re: Albino Catfish mystery
Brian Z. #525365 08/31/20 01:31 PM
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 570
Likes: 2
Offline
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 570
Likes: 2
Our albino catfish pond has had a few visits from bald eagles from time to time. Seeming like taking 1 fish a day per bird. They don`t stay much longer than a week a year or I`d be more upset.


Forced to work born to Fish
Re: Albino Catfish mystery
Snakebite #525366 08/31/20 01:37 PM
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 13
B
OP Offline
B
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 13
Originally Posted by Snakebite
Our albino catfish pond has had a few visits from bald eagles from time to time. Seeming like taking 1 fish a day per bird. They don`t stay much longer than a week a year or I`d be more upset.

Yes we occasionally have bald eagles stalk our pond but I haven't seen any this year, and if the albinos were in shallow enough water for the eagles to get them, then I would see them. Our pond is very clear so unless they are staying in the deep center of the pond, they aren't there anymore.

Re: Albino Catfish mystery
Brian Z. #525374 08/31/20 06:20 PM
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 2,302
Likes: 2
J
Offline
J
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 2,302
Likes: 2
Otters wiped out all my albino CC the second winter I had them. They were two to seven pounds. They also got all but a couple of the regular CC. I think I have had a few more visits since. I re stocked three times. There's fewer coming to feed every month. Between otters and the GB Herons, I quit. They are just ornamental ponds now, as far as I am concerned. Gonna quit feeding altogether when my current feed supply is gone. Probably by end of September. It's been a five year experiment that failed.

Last edited by John Fitzgerald; 08/31/20 06:21 PM.
Re: Albino Catfish mystery
Brian Z. #525384 09/01/20 05:19 AM
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 14,582
Likes: 10
D
Moderator
Lunker
Offline
Moderator
Lunker
D
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 14,582
Likes: 10
John, it’s tough to whip predators when you don’t live there. Cormorants have hammered me 2 years in a row. In a couple of weeks I’ll be stringing wire over mine to deter the birds. Then remove it in the Spring after their migration. I expect to do it twice a year.


It's not about the fish. It's about the pond. Take care of the pond and the fish will be fine. PB subscriber since before it was in color.

Without a sense of urgency, Nothing ever gets done.

Boy, if I say "sic em", you'd better look for something to bite. Sam Shelley Rancher and Farmer Muleshoe Texas 1892-1985 RIP
Re: Albino Catfish mystery
Brian Z. #525392 09/01/20 10:37 AM
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 2,302
Likes: 2
J
Offline
J
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 2,302
Likes: 2
Yes, it's difficult if the ponds are not right in the backyard. I suspect if I had spent as much as the ponds cost to build to securely fence them, I could have avoided the otters.

My house is about 700 feet across the hayfield from the ponds. They are slightly above the house, so the pond surfaces are not visible from the house.

Re: Albino Catfish mystery
Dave Davidson1 #525410 09/01/20 07:33 PM
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,613
Likes: 12
Zep Offline
Hall of Fame 2014
Offline
Hall of Fame 2014
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,613
Likes: 12
Originally Posted by Dave Davidson1
John, it’s tough to whip predators when you don’t live there. Cormorants have hammered me 2 years in a row. In a couple of weeks I’ll be stringing wire over mine to deter the birds. Then remove it in the Spring after their migration. I expect to do it twice a year.
Dave the cormorants were not nearly as bad for me last year, but they were still destructive. I guess it varies year to year. I too have considered stringing fishing line across like the guy in Italy. He said it is very effective, but could be a challenge in a 3.5 acre pond stringing that much line. I think we trapped 1 beaver and 3-4 otters last year. Have not caught an otter in traps in months, but expect them to return. I despise both cormorants and otters, but think the otters may be worse because they are primarily active at night and eat a lot of fish before you even realize they are present....the cormorants at least you know immediately they are there to eat your fish. It's odd the cormorants are much, much more plentiful and are protected, river otters are less plentiful but you can kill them.


Fishing has never been about the fish....

[Linked Image from vgy.me] [Linked Image from vgy.me]
Re: Albino Catfish mystery
Brian Z. #525416 09/02/20 05:19 AM
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 14,582
Likes: 10
D
Moderator
Lunker
Offline
Moderator
Lunker
D
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 14,582
Likes: 10
I saw a flock of cormorants in Fort Worth the other day. In about 10 days I'll be stringing wire over mine. That's the earliest Grandson and his buddy can make it. I was going to use electric fence wire with TPosts but Chris Steelman said the uses the electric tape. That has to be a lot easier to work with and is cheaper. I'm going to order it today. Getting hit and restocking 2 years in a row is enough for me.

Last edited by Dave Davidson1; 09/02/20 05:21 AM.

It's not about the fish. It's about the pond. Take care of the pond and the fish will be fine. PB subscriber since before it was in color.

Without a sense of urgency, Nothing ever gets done.

Boy, if I say "sic em", you'd better look for something to bite. Sam Shelley Rancher and Farmer Muleshoe Texas 1892-1985 RIP
Re: Albino Catfish mystery
Brian Z. #525551 09/04/20 10:08 PM
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 24,444
Likes: 13
Moderator
Ambassador
Field Correspondent
Lunker
Offline
Moderator
Ambassador
Field Correspondent
Lunker
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 24,444
Likes: 13
Being white, the albino CC are easy picking for predators, they are a lot easier to see than the regular colored ones. I have an Osprey visit my pond from time to time, so any fish that comes to the surface could be easy pickings for them.

Where did you source the albino CC from?


www.hoosierpondpros.com


http://www.pondboss.com/subscribe.asp?c=4
3/4 to 1 1/4 ac pond LMB, SMB, PS, BG, RES, CC, YP, Bardello BG, (RBT & Blue Tilapia - seasonal).
Re: Albino Catfish mystery
Brian Z. #525602 09/06/20 04:13 PM
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,613
Likes: 12
Zep Offline
Hall of Fame 2014
Offline
Hall of Fame 2014
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,613
Likes: 12
We did catch an albino yesterday....and our pond has had significant river otter and water-turkey diving bird issues the last couple of years.

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]


Fishing has never been about the fish....

[Linked Image from vgy.me] [Linked Image from vgy.me]
Re: Albino Catfish mystery
Brian Z. #525615 09/07/20 08:23 AM
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,613
Likes: 12
Zep Offline
Hall of Fame 2014
Offline
Hall of Fame 2014
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,613
Likes: 12
And another nice albino on a minnow this morning....I guess the otters and diving birds didn't get 'em all.

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]


Fishing has never been about the fish....

[Linked Image from vgy.me] [Linked Image from vgy.me]
Re: Albino Catfish mystery
Brian Z. #525891 09/14/20 03:09 PM
Joined: Sep 2018
Posts: 25
K
Offline
K
Joined: Sep 2018
Posts: 25
Where were you able to source full size albinos at? Or any size albinos?

I searched locally for almost a year and no one had stock or didn't answer emails/voicemail.

Grew frustrated with the search, so I built a large tank in my building and sourced some from auquaponics vendor. Have nine growing now, with 100 more being delivered on Wednesday. Pricey, but very enjoyable experience with the auquaponics vendor owner.

Re: Albino Catfish mystery
KW35 #525896 09/14/20 05:38 PM
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,613
Likes: 12
Zep Offline
Hall of Fame 2014
Offline
Hall of Fame 2014
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,613
Likes: 12
Originally Posted by KW35
Where were you able to source full size albinos at? Or any size albinos?

KW35 my primary source was a local kid 25 miles from my property that has a pay to fish pond and he went to Ark and agreed to get some for me.

Your best bet from Wichita may be to check with Nemo Hatchery in Perry, MO who show albino cats on their web page.

http://www.stockalake.com/species--information.html


Fishing has never been about the fish....

[Linked Image from vgy.me] [Linked Image from vgy.me]
Re: Albino Catfish mystery
Brian Z. #525900 09/14/20 09:15 PM
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 2,302
Likes: 2
J
Offline
J
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 2,302
Likes: 2
I don't have much faith that albino CC are "keepable" unless you have a good, otter proof fence around the pond and a bird proof net over the pond.

Re: Albino Catfish mystery
Brian Z. #525904 09/15/20 08:53 AM
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 570
Likes: 2
Offline
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 570
Likes: 2
I have had good success over the past 10 years raising albinos in my ponds. We do get predators from time to time visiting, but the water is kept with a good stain to limit predator visibility.

Attached Files
17.jpg (53.34 KB, 34 downloads)

Forced to work born to Fish
Re: Albino Catfish mystery
Brian Z. #525946 09/16/20 05:55 AM
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 14,582
Likes: 10
D
Moderator
Lunker
Offline
Moderator
Lunker
D
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 14,582
Likes: 10
Biggest albino cats I've ever seen.


It's not about the fish. It's about the pond. Take care of the pond and the fish will be fine. PB subscriber since before it was in color.

Without a sense of urgency, Nothing ever gets done.

Boy, if I say "sic em", you'd better look for something to bite. Sam Shelley Rancher and Farmer Muleshoe Texas 1892-1985 RIP
Re: Albino Catfish mystery
John Fitzgerald #525951 09/16/20 08:38 AM
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,613
Likes: 12
Zep Offline
Hall of Fame 2014
Offline
Hall of Fame 2014
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,613
Likes: 12
Originally Posted by John Fitzgerald
I don't have much faith that albino CC are "keepable" unless you have a good, otter proof fence around the pond and a bird proof net over the pond.

John maybe it's an anomaly, but I have had both signifficant otter and water-turkey (diving under water birds) invasions in my pond over the last 3 years and am still catching albinos at a pretty good rate.


Fishing has never been about the fish....

[Linked Image from vgy.me] [Linked Image from vgy.me]
Re: Albino Catfish mystery
Zep #525965 09/16/20 11:41 AM
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 1,642
Likes: 4
Offline
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 1,642
Likes: 4
Originally Posted by Zep
Originally Posted by KW35
Where were you able to source full size albinos at? Or any size albinos?

KW35 my primary source was a local kid 25 miles from my property that has a pay to fish pond and he went to Ark and agreed to get some for me.

Your best bet from Wichita may be to check with Nemo Hatchery in Perry, MO who show albino cats on their web page.

http://www.stockalake.com/species--information.html

I was interested in these at one time, but backed off. I thought I heard they would not reproduce, but then read that they do. I’ve had bad luck with species that supposedly are not reproductive and then exploding..
FYI, my place is a few miles from NEMO hatchery. I’d be happy to stop by and ask them about their albino catfish. Transport, size, price, etc.. Just let me know.
Jeff

Last edited by SetterGuy; 09/16/20 11:58 AM.

6 yr old pond, 1 ac, 15' deep.
RES, YP, GS, FHM (no longer), HBG (way too many), SMB, and HSB (didn’t make it. 0 seen in 5 yrs)
I think that's about all I should put in my little pond.
Re: Albino Catfish mystery
SetterGuy #526120 09/20/20 12:20 PM
Joined: Sep 2018
Posts: 25
K
Offline
K
Joined: Sep 2018
Posts: 25
SetterGuy - sent you a message

Re: Albino Catfish mystery
Brian Z. #526131 09/21/20 07:28 AM
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 14,582
Likes: 10
D
Moderator
Lunker
Offline
Moderator
Lunker
D
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 14,582
Likes: 10
My pond is now supposedly bird proof. I used electric fence tape. Done by grown Grandson and his buddy.


It's not about the fish. It's about the pond. Take care of the pond and the fish will be fine. PB subscriber since before it was in color.

Without a sense of urgency, Nothing ever gets done.

Boy, if I say "sic em", you'd better look for something to bite. Sam Shelley Rancher and Farmer Muleshoe Texas 1892-1985 RIP

Link Copied to Clipboard
Today's Birthdays
Bob Robinson, DustyMT, FarmPondLover, John Drummond, kenny terrell, Les, Lovnlivin, Weissguy
Recent Posts
Bio dredge worked to well?
by Funky - 09/27/20 07:39 AM
transport question
by Bocomo - 09/26/20 09:26 PM
White fungus on small fish
by esshup - 09/26/20 08:40 PM
Small bass but "unlimited" food?
by esshup - 09/26/20 08:34 PM
What did you do at your pond today?
by anthropic - 09/26/20 05:51 PM
Pond update
by rtripple - 09/26/20 01:50 PM
Newbie with Aeration ?s
by A-aron - 09/26/20 01:33 PM
Paddlefish
by Bill Cody - 09/26/20 01:02 PM
bullheads up the ???
by nehunter - 09/26/20 09:05 AM
Increasing rate of algae growth in dugout pond
by ted_1209 - 09/26/20 07:41 AM
If You Could Start All Over...
by ted_1209 - 09/26/20 06:07 AM
Now what
by kswaterfowler - 09/25/20 04:24 PM
Newly Uploaded Images
1 Year Old Pond
1 Year Old Pond
by KW35, September 15
Our Pond Dredging Rehab Progress
Our Pond Dredging Rehab Progress
by Lori, September 6
Gast Pump Housing
Gast Pump Housing
by RWoodshvac, July 4
dam blowout/convert to spillway
dam blowout/convert to spillway
by drrehak, June 30
Transport Cooler
Transport Cooler
by Shorty, June 7

� 2014 POND BOSS INC. all rights reserved USA and Worldwide

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.4