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These are Tiger Muskie. A true muskellunge crossed with a northern pike. To my knowledge they can't reproduce or are very unlikely to.


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Pretty fish. We should start a thread for the archives about Musky & Pike. Keep us up dated about your adventures with tiger musky so we have enough information for our Archive thread. Question - can you get them to eat a wounded fish for cut fish once they have been free ranging in the pond for several months?

Maybe ewest will do a little journal search home work and write an article in PBoss magazine about the topic? We need more information of what the size group of 3 ft - 4ft musky eat.

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Looks like they should do fine in you 2/3 acre pond.



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Great pics! I love TM, wish I had them in my Texas BOW to keep smaller LMB numbers under control. Maybe someday when nanobubble tech makes cool water fish doable here.


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Beautiful fish Corey.


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Originally Posted by Bill Cody
Question - can you get them to eat a wounded fish for cut fish once they have been free ranging in the pond for several months?

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I had one that I kept in my grow out pond and he continued to feed on filet chunks. I also had a friend catch one on a tilapia chunk after stocking one of my trainee fish.

Snipe has some friends interested in working with some TM. I’m hoping to get with him and maybe come up with a project we may all learn from.

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Originally Posted by Shorty
Looks like they should do fine in you 2/3 acre pond.

It looks like they end up doing TOO well and I may have to move them next year.


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Well we haven't caught one via rod n reel yet, but put the fyke net out and caught one within a few days. So for anyone wanting to evaluate their pike or musky population I think a fyke net is the way to go. This is a tiger muskie from a 2018 hatch. It was stocked a little over a year ago at 14-15" after being in a grow out pond, caught this spring (see above) at 21" an is now roughly 28-29" and 6 lbs. As far as I can tell there are at least 4 of these in my .65 acre pond that is 15 ft deep. And as of now I'm not noticing a huge impact on my other game fish.

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NEDOC, any way you can go back to the first page of this thread and restore the videos that were embedded of you feeding them? I'd love to keep those videos as part of thread going forward! I wanted to share this thread with a friend but those links are missing.

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Originally Posted by canyoncreek
NEDOC, any way you can go back to the first page of this thread and restore the videos that were embedded of you feeding them? I'd love to keep those videos as part of thread going forward! I wanted to share this thread with a friend but those links are missing.


I just noticed the youtube I loaded today wasn't included. How do I go about restoring these videos?


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Great example of what this fish is capable of doing in a small pond. By all means keep us updated as to their progress and growth rate in the small pond habitat. Also monitor the bass numbers and sizes of catch per angler hour. I suspect you will see fewer and fewer of the 8"-12" LMB. Very interesting project. Thanks for doing it and posting the results.


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Originally Posted by Bill Cody
Great example of what this fish is capable of doing in a small pond. By all means keep us updated as to their progress and growth rate in the small pond habitat. Also monitor the bass numbers and sizes of catch per angler hour. I suspect you will see fewer and fewer of the 8"-12" LMB. Very interesting project. Thanks for doing it and posting the results.


Well, I don't have any LMB. Fortunately, my SMB pulled off a HUGE spawn, and the only one I've ever noticed last year and my pond is full of 5" SMB. I'm afraid that is what the TM are preying on. So next spring I'm hoping to move these TM to another pond.

On a side note, I'm wanting to make a post about pellet training SMB. I've had SMB for most of 18 years in this pond and rarely do I see one take a pellet. I recently started horizontally aerating, or circulating my pond. Immediately it seemed my SMB gained a feeding advantage and were hammering FHM at all times. That was understandable. But I added to that. I put a belt feeder over the top of my circulator so that it would push pellets with the current. Within 18 hours I had HUNDREDS of 5" SMB feeding aggressively on pellets. I want to observe for a while longer before I make a detailed post. BC, do you have any experience with such feeding techniques? And are there any observations in particular that you'd like for me to make?


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In the past when I have feed train RES or SMB in my aquaculture tanks I have always set the tanks up with a circular movement going around the tank. Pellets slowly moving around on the surface does seem to help.

Are you using a Kasco horizontal aerator?



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Shorty, yes I am. So far I am very very pleased. My filamentous algae issues are nearly completely eliminated.


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Just curious, has has the horizontal aerator bumped up your electric bill much? Or is it pretty economical to run?



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The use of horizontal aeration is of interest to me. We have a five acre pond that is SMB/RES. We started this about 18 months ago. I was wondering if you could provide the size of your horizontal aeration system. I would be interested in feeding the SMB in the current. We have had successful spawns the last two summers.


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Have you run any test on the DO before and after adding the horizontal system?


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I've never had any issues getting SMB onto feed, not to go off topic.

They go right to it.


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Shorty, I have so much stuff going on with my two ponds right now that I can't really tell how much its impacting my electrical compared to using my standard aeration system. I got tired of rebuilding my standard aeration unit and had a 1hp Kasco given to me that we couldn't figure out how to get running. While working on that, I ordered a 1/2 hp Kasco because I'm an impulse buyer!! In the meantime I got the 1hp running. So I have them in different locations. Now that I have my FA taken care of, which is the reason I experimented with horizontal aeration, I alternate which one I'm using.

MOfisherman, I'll try to take the time to make a more detailed post tomorrow in its own thread. Have you had any difficulty getting SMB on pellets? From Sunil's response it doesn't appear it's that difficult (which is awesome to hear!!) but I have seldom witnessed it. Maybe there are other variables that got mine started. But the current seemed to be the turning point.

TGW1, I haven't done DO readings simply because I don't have a DO meter. But it seems impossible for my DO to not be in good shape as much water as I'm moving. One thing I have noticed is that I have absolutely no spots where there is a noticeable difference in water temp. Whether its horizontal or vertical, the entire body of water feels to be the same temp. At first I was concerned about warming the water on hot days, but that certainly doesn't seem to be the case. In fact, the entire body of water is noticeably cooler when swimming. Also, there is a significant decrease in bottom muck anywhere within 30 ft of the Kasco circulator.

wbuffetjr, I'll fix your statement for you......... NEDOC always doing stupid and expensive stuff!! But occasionally he posts something interesting that evolves from his stupidity!! LOL

What really needs to be invented by one of the pond boss geniuses is a circulator that roams your pond like a Roomba. LOL


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Originally Posted by NEDOC
Originally Posted by canyoncreek
NEDOC, any way you can go back to the first page of this thread and restore the videos that were embedded of you feeding them? I'd love to keep those videos as part of thread going forward! I wanted to share this thread with a friend but those links are missing.


I just noticed the youtube I loaded today wasn't included. How do I go about restoring these videos?

Hey Doc,

It's just the embedding encoding for the links that is broken. If you click edit on your own post, you should be able to see the link and fix it. We'll just have to click on them:


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4waNG0HEn8

And what I was hoping to evolve to is having them hit strips of meat as I throw it into their cage. In this case it was a strip of tilapia. And they were only hitting about 50% of the ones I threw in. But 1) they may have been full and 2) it'll take some acclimation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYvrDXct2yI

Ultimately, I'd like to progress to something like this. Keep in mind this is a feeding of my catfish....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL6QoVPyRzM

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I think I got them all fixed bocomo. When did the embed tool quit working?


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Originally Posted by NEDOC
I think I got them all fixed bocomo. When did the embed tool quit working?


My guess is that Google stopped allowing hotlinking.

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I looked up the 1/2 hp Kasco circulator, 5.7 amps, by comparison a 1/2 hp rocking piston is right around 3.7 amps.



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