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Re: SoilFloc Polymer Sealant
teehjaeh57 #522688 06/18/20 07:53 AM
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I am in contact now with teehjaeh57 now. I will probably order some from him and apply as he recommends. I would be happy if i could just slow the leak down. I will keep you all posted with updates.
Thanks for all the help.

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Re: SoilFloc Polymer Sealant
teehjaeh57 #523696 07/17/20 09:20 PM
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Hey Liquidsquid, are things still holding good?


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Re: SoilFloc Polymer Sealant
teehjaeh57 #523697 07/17/20 10:11 PM
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About rocks sinking in mud: I put down some junk plywood and put the rocks on top of that. It takes a long time for exterior plywood to rot underwater.

Re: SoilFloc Polymer Sealant
John Fitzgerald #523768 07/20/20 03:16 PM
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Please explain

Re: SoilFloc Polymer Sealant
Bobbss #524169 07/31/20 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobbss
Hey Liquidsquid, are things still holding good?

It is holding well still. Based on observations from previous years with lack of runoff, we would have been down near 36" by now. Instead we are down about 12", 6 of which were from before I had a chance to seal the pond. It has been an exceptionally hot summer for us, so I am pleased. 6" since the application near two months ago with no runoff events is far less than I would have experienced otherwise.

The other side of the dam, areas that would have standing or slightly flowing water are now only moist if not dry. I know I still have a small leak somewhere as I loose a little more than evaporation. Honestly I cannot believe how well a single application to just the dam has performed.

I may hit is again since I have so much leftover material, and then share some with a neighbor on the same situation.

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Re: SoilFloc Polymer Sealant
teehjaeh57 #524171 07/31/20 05:03 PM
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Liquidsquid, that is great to hear! I will probably try it someday. I've got to get a boat first, which I'm working on.


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Re: SoilFloc Polymer Sealant
JoeDK #524172 07/31/20 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeDK
I am in contact now with teehjaeh57 now. I will probably order some from him and apply as he recommends. I would be happy if i could just slow the leak down. I will keep you all posted with updates.
Thanks for all the help.
JoeDK, did you ever get some Soilfloc?


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Re: SoilFloc Polymer Sealant
Bobbss #524264 08/03/20 12:49 PM
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Bob I did. I applied my first unit yesterday afternoon. I went thicker then recommended but I still had one unit cover about .15 acre. I’m not sure what I did wrong. I had everything mapped out and ropes up and applied 3 oz of a and b as recommended but I still stretched one unit to do almost .15 acres. I still have 2 units left I need to talk to Tj and see if I should apply more. I did put my measuring stick out last night right after application and checked it this morning about 14 hours later and it seemed to stay the same level but I am not sure if we got any rain. Can’t wait to get home tonight and check it. I will give a better explanation on what I did and the results later

Re: SoilFloc Polymer Sealant
teehjaeh57 #524268 08/03/20 01:26 PM
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TJ, if you read this, thanks again for your help. I do wonder if you are estimating a bit too aggressively on the amount of product that is needed? Several of us seemed to have at least half (or more than half) left when we applied it at the recommended rates. I had a .20 or .22 acre pond and was told to get 3 units. I used about 1.5, even putting it on heavy to try to get it at the recommended application dose. JoeDK has a smaller pond than mine at .15 acre and was told to buy 3 units as well?

Just wondered if we should have been advised to have about 1/3 less units recommended to start out with.

Not wanting to sound ungrateful as we appreciate what you do and the extra ended up providing me with 2 more applications at later dates which did some additional good too.

Re: SoilFloc Polymer Sealant
teehjaeh57 #524270 08/03/20 01:50 PM
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Below is the application formula derived following lots of projects over the past 5 years and what several pond management companies [and the manufacturer] recommend - so I borrowed their insight to help formulate the recommendations. The application formula is dependent on the accuracy of data input - daily vertical water loss and treatment area [sq ft]. Nothing I can do from Lincoln to verify that information is accurate, but I've treated all 7 of my ponds and used this same formula. On 3 ponds I had to retreat 2x in the same area because application was too light - so I don't believe [at least in those cases] the formula is an issue.

What I have learned is every pond is different - probably details far beyond our ability to measure which impacts the efficacy of the polymer - but results absolutely vary. I'm pretty transparent that in 5 cases so far the polymer treatment did absolutely NOTHING to improve the leak rate. Pond owner may have missed applying to the leaking area, might have under applied, might have applied it incorrectly - those cases continue to baffle me but I'm working on one right now and it's frustrating for everyone. Bottom line, like in pond management, nothing is certain and pond leaks behave differently - we make our best hypothesis based on the information available and hope for the best. It's not an exact science, and I'm not a scientist, I just try to help however I can as a Pond Boss volunteer.

Bear in mind the manufacturer suggested Joe treat the entire pond and his estimate was 5x higher than the project cost following our several phone calls. All I provide is the formula, the pond owner makes the decision on number of units. I'm grateful for the opportunity to make a new friend and help Joe - hopefully he sees some leak rate improvement [sounds good so far] and I'm sure he's relived saving thousands on the project from the original estimate. I'm not aware of "several" people with polymer surplus on the forum - no one has notified me directly of this. Considering the polymer saves $5-$20k in re-engineering a clay liner I always figured it was better to be safe than sorry by cutting corners, as again, I have under applied on my own projects on the farm.

Up to .25” daily vertical water loss: 1 unit treats 4,000 sq ft
.25” - .50” daily vertical water loss: 1 unit treats 3,500 sq ft
.50” - .75” daily vertical water loss: 1 unit treats 3,000 sq ft
.75” – 1” daily vertical water loss: 1 unit treats 2,500 sq ft


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Re: SoilFloc Polymer Sealant
teehjaeh57 #524281 08/03/20 03:15 PM
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Thanks TJ! the back information and your results with so many happy pondowners continue to show forth on this forum. I never saw the formula you list above in writing so this is very useful. Is the square foot calculation just surface square footage? I would have thought that acre-feet of water, total depth, or the way the bottom is sloped would have something to do with application rates.

I think we all wonder when we apply this how we can apply it thick enough to get best results the FIRST time. No one enjoys the slip and slide in the boat with this greasy stuff smile
To me, putting it on a bit heavy and having some left over was a fine outcome and I think my leak got better by doing 1 big dose followed by a few smaller applications as 'touchup'

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Re: SoilFloc Polymer Sealant
teehjaeh57 #524287 08/03/20 04:15 PM
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Sq ft of basin, not surface area. It’s a rough calculation and again none of this is exact unless we are treating a dry basin. Speaking of which I have had amazing results treating two dry basins where we stripped the liner to gravel veins, applied dry polymer, and capped with several lifts of high plasticity clay. Both ponds literally sealed like Tupperware, but 99.9% of projects occur in hydrated ponds so our control of the treatment is impacted significantly. Ideally leak identification needs to occur during excavation phase so when suspect materials are encountered one can treat them dry and cap with lifts of good clay. Unfortunately many of us (including myself) weren’t notified by professional performing work of suspect areas or we had no knowledge of treatment options so we hoped for the best and filled the pond....only to learn much later the issues we could have addressed. I will never build a pond again without having a pallet of polymer on hand just to be safe. I’ve dropped easily $50k in engineering and electric costs running well for 13 years trying to keep up with water loss - I could have saved $40k easily just by doing things right in the first place. I hope more Pond
Pros become aware of the solutions at their disposal to address suspect material issues upon discovery instead of reliving all our collective nightmares.


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Re: SoilFloc Polymer Sealant
teehjaeh57 #524296 08/03/20 06:49 PM
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Amen to that last comment there TJ..


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Re: SoilFloc Polymer Sealant
teehjaeh57 #524297 08/03/20 07:01 PM
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I’m not mad at all about the extra soilfloc I just brought it up because I wanted to make sure I applied it right. I went by ounces per square feet not units per square feet. Maybe I should of marked off 3000sq ft and applied 1 unit to that I think it would be more 10-15 ounces.

26 hours after application I looked again and the pond did drop 3/8 of an inch. I’d say normally that would be around 5/8. But I’m not sure if it rained last night and today wasn’t near as hot as it has been.
I got few questions. Last night when I went down there about 2 hours after application I reached down to the bottom and could pick up the slime off the bottom and today it is no long there. Should it disappear like that? One spot I noticed when I stirred the mud up there was like little clear balls about the size of a bb that were floating around. The other spot I didn’t notice them.
Second question I read that some times it takes up to seven days to work. Anyone notice this before?
Third question. If I want to apply a second coat on it I’m guessing I should avoid raking this time since it already has a coat on the bottom? And if I apply it to other areas am I ok to rake that to stir up the water?
Just to clarify This pond is 3/4 of an acre we were going to just try and hit the areas that I THINK It’s coming from.
Also I think next time I apply I’m going to have some bentonite on hand to help it sink.
Thanks again for everyone’s help and experience esp TJ

Re: SoilFloc Polymer Sealant
teehjaeh57 #524314 08/04/20 01:11 AM
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2-4 oz per 10 sq ft.

Cross linked polymer continues to expand over the course of 2 weeks +, keep an eye on vert water loss, it should continue to improve. You may need to retreat, let the water dictate the next move. I'm here anytime to discuss your next moves.

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