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Re: How long does it last (treatment) ?
RStringer #511898 09/24/19 11:26 AM
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The basic concept is that if the covered jar settles out and the uncovered does not, then you have light requiring life creating the turbidity. I'm sure that it's rarely that cut an dry, but you get the idea.

If both jars settle out at the same rate...then it's sediments in the cloud.

Not sure what you'd have if only the uncovered jar settled out...dark loving aliens maybe, lol.


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Re: How long does it last (treatment) ?
RStringer #511933 09/25/19 06:57 AM
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Here's my 3rd jar test. Just messing around on this 1. Now nobody panick it's just alum. I gave that up for lent along time ago. And I'm not even catholic. I just did it for reference with a penny to tell how much I put in there.

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Re: How long does it last (treatment) ?
RStringer #512001 09/26/19 07:19 AM
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I checked in 2 days my test jar ( just playing around). Went from nasty to drinkable. I wouldn't really drink it but it looks like regular tap water besides all the crude at the bottom. This was done with very little alum.

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Re: How long does it last (treatment) ?
RStringer #512007 09/26/19 09:58 AM
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I have what maybe a dumb question. I got a load of rock delivered to my house. We wanted lava lock and they brought man sand. Its for a play ground in the back yard. Anyway didn't want to put the man back there so I just had them dump it close to the pond. They told me its crushed limestone. Heres the question is this going to be like adding ag lime or is it different? I was thinking about making spawning areas with it. I got 4 tons of it if that matters. Is this advisable or is it a bad idea?


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Re: How long does it last (treatment) ?
RStringer #512070 09/27/19 02:37 PM
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Here is the latest photo

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Re: How long does it last (treatment) ?
RStringer #512076 09/27/19 02:48 PM
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Man sand will be good for your pond. Our midwestern soils tend to be on the acid side. I don't think you can put too much limestone in a pond out here in flyover country.

Re: How long does it last (treatment) ?
RStringer #512079 09/27/19 03:34 PM
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Thank you 4 the response wasnt sure if I should go ahead with it or not.


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Re: How long does it last (treatment) ?
RStringer #512087 09/27/19 05:56 PM
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+1 what Augie said . Canít hardly get to much in the pond wonít act real fast but will raise ph .

The lime will help clear the water up some also , least it did mine

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Re: How long does it last (treatment) ?
RStringer #512089 09/27/19 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted By: RStringer
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The reason you perform two jar tests one covered one uncovered is to determine the degree of planktonic algae that may be causing turbidity. If your turbidity was caused by algae the dark jar would clear and the other jar would remain turbid. From these tests it's evident it's not algae, rather suspending clay particulate, causing your turbidity.

It appears the turbidity is improving as there's some accumulation on the bottom of the jar. Keep them sitting and continue monitoring. If it takes weeks to settle it doesn't mean you can't jump start the process with an amendment [Alum, gypsum, hay bales], but does demonstrate that given time the pond will settle naturally - allowing you options to consider moving forward.

Establishing emergent and submerged vegetation, shoreline stabilization with limestone, riprap or emergent vegetation [rushes, sedges, iris, arrowhead, etc.] and slowing down/clarifying the watershed runoff prior to entering pond are all positive steps towards filtering clay particulate from the pond and reducing turbidity.


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Re: How long does it last (treatment) ?
RStringer #512091 09/27/19 07:22 PM
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What TJ said plus a heaping helping of patience cured mine. Waiting is the hardest skill of pondmiestering for me.

Re: How long does it last (treatment) ?
RStringer #512094 09/27/19 08:08 PM
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Man I cant think everyone enough. Hopefully by this time next year I will be done digging and have vegetation growth all the way around. I was wanting to do some kind of riprap. I want to wait until I know where my waterline will be and if it holds water also. This is just me and my *little orange tractor that could( 33hp kubota. I'm sure I'm well over 1000 scopes that iv taking already. I was having a hard time not calling in a dozer. But after reading augie story again It gives me some pride just doing this mud puddle by myself.


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Re: How long does it last (treatment) ?
RStringer #512115 09/28/19 05:29 AM
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Rusty that IS an achievement to dig a pond with a tractor. I have a MX 5100 Kubota (call her Urnch) and canít imagine doing what you are doing.... Bravo! Dug a retention pond in the clay behind the twin 24Ē corrugated plastic pipe for the road over the spillway that was where we were to drive..... that was fun

Re: How long does it last (treatment) ?
RStringer #512129 09/28/19 08:49 AM
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It has been alot of tilling then scoping. It is pretty cool to see your vision starting to take shape for sure. The bucket on yours would be nice. The little tractor that could has been a great investment so far so over 250 hours on it. Not all have been in the pond. I would say I'm close to 100 hours on it so far.


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Re: How long does it last (treatment) ?
RStringer #512245 10/01/19 08:12 PM
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Not much difference if any since the last update. I guess this is good and bad. I could have little to no clay and have to haul it in to get a good seal.

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Re: How long does it last (treatment) ?
RStringer #512249 10/01/19 11:50 PM
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Post day 1 and most recent photos side by side letís check them out


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Re: How long does it last (treatment) ?
RStringer #512255 10/02/19 06:00 AM
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Here's the side by side results.

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Re: How long does it last (treatment) ?
RStringer #512258 10/02/19 07:03 AM
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This will help a bit...





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Re: How long does it last (treatment) ?
RStringer #512261 10/02/19 07:41 AM
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Thank you QA I still cant figure out how to do that. I'm doing good to get the screen shot on here. Strong back weak mind is what iv been told all my life. Some have neither lol.


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Re: How long does it last (treatment) ?
RStringer #512380 10/04/19 09:25 PM
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My next question is. Is there away to get the clay to stay clumped together once its sinks? Seems like there should be a way of removing it or draining and packing again maybe. Not that to do the second idea but iv did stupider things.


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Re: How long does it last (treatment) ?
RStringer #512392 10/05/19 08:52 AM
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Once mine dropped out of suspension, it hasn't been a problem. I think it is more important to get good ground cover, so bare dirt is at a minimum. Then stock pond so you don't have too many varmints rooting around in the muck stirring things up. The hardest thing for me was having patience to let nature do her thing. So far I have zero in water vegetation, not by choice. I've done a couple of plantings that didn't take (crawfish problem?), so I decided to put in more brush and worry about plants when my BOW decides it's ready for them. I'm trying to tweak mother nature instead of enforcing my will. Time will see how that works out.

Re: How long does it last (treatment) ?
RStringer #512394 10/05/19 09:50 AM
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I have a few (maybe 10) catfish. I added 3 kio which I know both can be a problem. I'm hoping they don't keep it stirred up all the time. I plan on adding more vegetation when I'm done digging. I want some lilly pads. I have crawdads also. Iv got a lil creek in my backyard that I got them from. At certain times of the years you can dip them out. I took a small fish net and could get prolly 10 in each scope. I put prolly 300 - 500 in the pond. Fish went crazy when I threw them in. Free snacks.

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Re: How long does it last (treatment) ?
RStringer #512397 10/05/19 12:12 PM
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I got some water hyacinth started this year. The fella I got the koi from gave me a few of them. Just in a month or so so they double in size. I plan on bring them inside the weather when it gets colder here. I want to get them established and they should help some. If I can get enough and seem to be good for yoy also.


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Re: How long does it last (treatment) ?
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Here's apart of the plant I got starts from. I think its called water hyacinth.

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Re: How long does it last (treatment) ?
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Koi and CC can both create turbidity issues especially in ponds without any established macrophytes. I would remove all CC possible and the Koi as well. Both are fine in ponds without turbidity issues, but I strongly suspect both are working against your efforts to combat turbidity.


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Re: How long does it last (treatment) ?
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What is "established macrophytes".


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