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If you're using a circle hook, I'd run it from its bottom jaw up through the nostril. Thats how I rig live shiners for bass. Live bait is usually taken head first. Circle hook will cut way down on gut hooking your HSB.


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Through the eye sockets works pretty good too.

Ditto the circle hook recommendation.

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Source hand throw LMB pellets, HSB prefer them, will soon get trained to look for them primarily provided their gape is sufficient. Optimal LMB pellets are smaller than AM - that's what I'd try. Once your HSB are used to taking the larger pellet it's very simple process to collect them anytime you're feeding with pellet fly or pantyhose wrapped pellet. If they exist in your fishery, you're guaranteed to get a strike - just set and reel it in. I advise laying off HSB angling once water temps hit 80s as they can fight themselves to exhaustion/death. I shut down all fishing from late June until September as I've lost too many trophy SMB and HSB even with a quick fight and clean release. Just not worth the risk for me.


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Jeff - did you get a chance to review this post regarding HSB sampling? Call me if you want happy to help as always.


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TJ, I just now read the post. Sorry about that. Thanks for the info. I’m headed back up on Friday. I have Optima LMB feed now, so I’ll try hand tossing some from the boat. I’ve also got some flies that look like pellets, although they sink.
We just keep getting crazy rain. Had 1.5” Sunday evening. Supposed to get more tonight, tomorrow, and almost every day for the next week.
We were out over the weekend, so I haven’t seen it for a week.

I’ll also get some circle hooks. Not sure what they even look like. Aren’t they the ones that set themselves. I’ll do some research.

Thx

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RES, YP, GS, FHM (no longer), HBG (going away), SMB, and HSB (only one seen in 5 yrs) Restocked HSB (2020) Have seen one of these.
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Originally Posted By: SetterGuy
I’ll also get some circle hooks. Not sure what they even look like. Aren’t they the ones that set themselves. I’ll do some research.


I like the Gamakatsu Octopus circle hooks for fishing live or cut bait. I expect there are other brands that work equally as well.

Live bait under a float or free-lined - the hook will set itself, almost always in the corner of the mouth,
when the fish runs with the bait. Same deal tight-lined on the bottom. They work great and you will rarely, if ever, gut-hook a fish.

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Jeff - I cut and tie pantyhose around a LMB pellet and tie off top with some sewing thread and trim off the top excess hose. I run a size 2 octopus hook through the pantyhose, cast, and hang the heck on. Of course you want your HSB to start anticipating your hand thrown pellets - get them acclimated to a pattern, then you can start angling for them during feeding time. If you use braid I find a 8-12" 12# mono or floro leader provides a margin of error on hookset and provides stealthier presentation, too. Bear in mind my HSB will not feed until dusk or during cloudy conditions...so evening is the best time for me. I can walk you through this if you want to call...always make time for PB Family.


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Originally Posted By: SetterGuy
I’ll also get some circle hooks. Not sure what they even look like. Aren’t they the ones that set themselves. I’ll do some research.


I like the Gamakatsu Octopus circle hooks for fishing live or cut bait. I expect there are other brands that work equally as well.

Live bait under a float or free-lined - the hook will set itself, almost always in the corner of the mouth,
when the fish runs with the bait. Same deal tight-lined on the bottom. They work great and you will rarely, if ever, gut-hook a fish.


Yep, good advice here.


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Thank you both! I’ll try this weekend with the hand tossed feed. Will stop today and get some circle hooks. I would assume my HSB are dusk feeders also..
I’ve watched the last few years, some pretty big swirls around the pond. I know they have to have been made by a pretty good sized fish. I also see schools of fry jumping out of the water as they are being pursued by another big swirl or wake. I’m sure some are my SMB, but I’ve always had hope that some HSB survived. I have a lot of GS, so if they are there, they should be healthy.
Hooking them in the corner of the mouth sounds good also. Do they make a small enough hook that the grandkids could use them for worms? I keep all the male YP they catch no matter how they are hooked, but a few of the females have been hooked deep and I’ve had to keep them.
Thanks again


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RES, YP, GS, FHM (no longer), HBG (going away), SMB, and HSB (only one seen in 5 yrs) Restocked HSB (2020) Have seen one of these.
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Eagle Claw L787
Owner 5185, 51775114
Gamakatsu 02506, 02507
Berkeley FSN19DRSH2, FSN19DRSH4, FSN19DRSH6

All of these are in the size 2-8 range.

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Originally Posted By: Augie
Eagle Claw L787
Owner 5185, 51775114
Gamakatsu 02506, 02507
Berkeley FSN19DRSH2, FSN19DRSH4, FSN19DRSH6

All of these are in the size 2-8 range.


Thanks Augie, I’m in CoMo today, hopefully will have time to swing by BassPro before heading back home.

Edit, these hooks really wouldn’t be a good fit with the grandkids, worms, and bobbers would they? We’ve been teaching them to set the hook, and you don’t set the hook with these, correct?

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9 yr old pond, 1 ac, 15' deep.
RES, YP, GS, FHM (no longer), HBG (going away), SMB, and HSB (only one seen in 5 yrs) Restocked HSB (2020) Have seen one of these.
I think that's about all I should put in my little pond.
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they'll work fine under a bobber for YP. By the time the kids see the bobber take off, the fish is already hooked for the most part. A smaller sized non circle octopus will usually not gut hook a fish when under a bobber. Using ice jigs will greatly reduce gut hooking as well

BTW I've only seen my hsb feed twice....and have never caught one haha I sure hope they're still in the pond

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Originally Posted By: Matzilla


BTW I've only seen my hsb feed twice....and have never caught one haha I sure hope they're still in the pond


Ha! I’m not alone!! All I hear is how hard they fight. I hope this is the summer I actually see one.
Thx

Got in and out of BassPro for under $100. I did get three packs of hooks. crazy

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9 yr old pond, 1 ac, 15' deep.
RES, YP, GS, FHM (no longer), HBG (going away), SMB, and HSB (only one seen in 5 yrs) Restocked HSB (2020) Have seen one of these.
I think that's about all I should put in my little pond.
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The HSB are very illusive, mine just started showing themselves, since last year, IF the the breeze blows feed far enough into the pond. They are unmistakable when they surface!


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Originally Posted By: Quarter Acre
The HSB are very illusive, mine just started showing themselves, since last year, IF the the breeze blows feed far enough into the pond. They are unmistakable when they surface!


I had some really Big and aggressive feeding going on early this spring at the feeder, but now not so much, at least for the last few weeks. I couldn’t tell if they were SMB or what (HSB)?

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9 yr old pond, 1 ac, 15' deep.
RES, YP, GS, FHM (no longer), HBG (going away), SMB, and HSB (only one seen in 5 yrs) Restocked HSB (2020) Have seen one of these.
I think that's about all I should put in my little pond.
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TJ, I was at the pond this morning. Still just running 4 seconds twice a day. I hadn’t been there when the feeder went off for several weeks. The feed was gone in less than a minute. I thought about adding time, but I think 90% of the feed is being eaten by the HBG. I’m not all that interested in helping them. I put out a trap and caught 20+ fish. All HBG, except for one Golden Shiner. Maybe my RES have crossed with the HBG. Not sure. This one may be pure RES.

He’s stuffed full of Optima.

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9 yr old pond, 1 ac, 15' deep.
RES, YP, GS, FHM (no longer), HBG (going away), SMB, and HSB (only one seen in 5 yrs) Restocked HSB (2020) Have seen one of these.
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Jeff, that's a pretty fish!


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Hey Jeff that's a beautiful looking GRES! Did you hand feed LMB pellets? Only your SMB and HSB should be able to handle that diameter.


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Beautiful colors ! Looks like a HBG X RES.
















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Thanks all. Out of about 20 in the fish trap, there were three or four that had this coloration.
TJ, I was on the mower most of the time I was at the farm. Spent about an hour at the pond, near sunset, then went back early the following morning for about an hour. I haven’t had time to hand toss any feed. I do have the BG and LMB feeds mixed in the TH Feeder. I know it’s throwing at that rate 50/50. All the feed is gone in seconds. I see a flash and a swirl, but I can’t see what fish is taking what feed. Some of these HBG crosses have much larger mouths. Possibly they, or possibly the YP might be eating the Optima LMB? We have rain tonight and for the next three days. I believe our drought is over. My renter sprayed roundup on the fields above the pond. The weeds are history, now more and more rain. I’m getting great runoff. Possibly too much, and now some erosion from the fields. My water has a weird color, almost like tea. Keeps visibility down to a few inches. Hopefully the rain will eventually let up, and the water will clear. The fish can sure see the food though.
Edit, well, the pic doesn’t look much like tea, but it’s a different brown than it was when full of suspended clay.

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9 yr old pond, 1 ac, 15' deep.
RES, YP, GS, FHM (no longer), HBG (going away), SMB, and HSB (only one seen in 5 yrs) Restocked HSB (2020) Have seen one of these.
I think that's about all I should put in my little pond.
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TJ, I tried hand feeding yesterday. 8:00-8:15. I threw a few handfuls of Optima Bass food out. Nothing came up for it. I waited 20 min. Tried two spots, both had the same result. Out of curiosity I ran the feeder for a few seconds. It was cleaned up after a bit, but not as fast as usual. My feeder goes off a 7:00. (I’ll push it back to 8:30 today)
Some larger fish hit the surface hard. Not sure if they were taking feed, or other fish. As usual, the only fish I could clearly identify were the HBG. Can’t clearly see YP. Water clarity is only about 12”. I believe it’s algae, not suspended clay. Maybe some staining from the millions of hardwood leaves that fall in the pond every fall.
I’ll try hand throwing again, probably on Mon or Tues..


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RES, YP, GS, FHM (no longer), HBG (going away), SMB, and HSB (only one seen in 5 yrs) Restocked HSB (2020) Have seen one of these.
I think that's about all I should put in my little pond.
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