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[quote][/quote]Great BG and Hybrid Kenny. Your water looks a very pretty shade of green in those pictures.

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Snipe it is very interesting that you bring this up, because for about 5 years my SMB seemed to unable to pull off successful reproduction. I blamed it on the ridiculous number of FHM in my pond consuming all of the zooplankton and outcompeting SMB fry for food. But for whatever reason last year I had a bumper crop of SMB with no apparent reduction in FHM. So I'm interested to follow this and find out what you learn.

NEDOC, you've piqued my interest. Can you tell us more about your SMB and FHM experience in the thread on SMB? When I read this post I can't help but notice that FHM have persisted with your SMB in large numbers for 5 years.

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Beautiful bluegill right there.

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Originally Posted by Snipe
This cold system that set all sorts of new records here has caused some unforeseen issues. 104 high on Sunday to 29 low with heavy snow Tuesday. My water temp went from 83 sunday eve to 51 by Tuesday eve. Today I measured temp thru water column and fond less than 1 deg spread in 12ft. Needless to say, the algae crash caused a domino effect that ended up killing a lot of fish..

One of the worst things for fish is sudden temp changes. That alone can kill fish and some species are less tolerant than others. When looking at fish and temperatures its not just their max and min lethal temps that are measured but also their ability to withstand sudden temp change. Remember fish are cold blooded and unlike us do not regulate temps as well.

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Net samples for 2020 have began. Set nets last night and the first run today is in the books.
Day 1 doesn't usually tell much except today I caught 3 of my "small" saugeye...23" 24.75" and a 3rd just shy of 27"
wasn't expecting to see those!
I won't bore anyone with numbers but had many nice YP from 5 to 13.75" and still stuck in that 89-94 WR range.
My BG and BGxRES are pushing up to 9.25" and all Lepomis from today averaged 122% WR.
No big GSH, only 2 crawfish.
4 SMB from basically 12'-14.25". Wr on these is still showing high 110's
A few HSB stocked early spring but no specimens in nets yet.
6 days to go so anything can happen. I'll post any surprises and total data compilation of end of sets for thos besides myself that find this interesting.
A couple of picks to follow.

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snipe, I'm impressed. smile


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Snipe I'm always interested in your data. Your insight is very useful. Unfortunately im just not smart enough to respond to them. Just want you to know we always like reading you info.


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New observation the last several days.
I notice some larger fish utilizing pellets the last few days and the pellet attack was fast enough I couldn't confirm what it was.
Last night I got my answer.. Standing on the corner of the dock throwing a small jig into basically the exact spot numerous times, I caught a SMB every cast for 10-11 casts. Every one of those SMB were regurgitating pellets. Fish were all 8-16" and I was very pleasantly surprised by this because until now, I was unable to prove that was occurring. Very happy to see that.
Before I left I managed to latch into a nice YP-also was unloading a few pellets. 15-1/8" and 701g, so 2 ozs over state record on YP.
I've been trapping with Z traps, running them before sunset and again around 8am. I'm pulling about 50 1-3" BG out everyday and moving 20-25 YP 3-6" every day also..

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Haven't posted for some time on this so time for an update..
Last August I performed an Alum treatment after a small fight for 45 days or so with algae.
Pond is completely ice-free today and the vis is nearly 5' and it is painfully obvious I need some new/better/more habitat. I can see so much...of missing items of structure/habitat, but the last time I had this type of view was as I was filling it. I'm not 4 yrs in yet but I think 3 big floods was a bit hard on things, so thinking about a redo now that I have a berm around inlet side and no more field run-off can occur. I think it best to wait another year or so as the fish farm needs to be established first, and... we have caught 14 YP well over the KS state record now, I think 11 of those were late October and November. Unfortunately, It hasn't been somebody's kid or a friend that doesn't fish much or we would make it official. Funny thing is our Region 1 biologist caught 1 and said there was no way he could claim it so on we go. The largest we've caught so far was well over 1lb over the record so if a kid does get that piece of paper, it's going to stick for a long time.

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Snipe - that is great news and thanks for the informative update. Great fish pictures too!. Thanks. Alum must work well in your water type. Who says you shouldn't and can't stock yellow perch in ponds because they will not do and grow very well? I say phooey on that old fashioned idea.

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You're absolutely correct Bill, and you have a fantastic memory because that's exactly what I was told going into this.. YP won't do well in your area they said.. They've done better than anywhere else in the State!

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Hello.

Nice Yellow-perch.

There is Yellow-perch in Florida why not in Kansas.
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Just the mentality of it, azteca.. YP in FL are a much different strain but you are correct. Concerns here were water temp in summer but what wasn't really considered was my altitude. We cool off enough at night that my temps will max at 80 daytime with about 4 degs lower on bottom. usually see about 78 average and my Northern YP from NE Colorado have done extremely well. The one thing I still see (but less of this last year) is YP struggling through the 10-12" stage but once you get on to 13-13.5" they are back up at 100% WR and above.

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Hello.

If it's possible, it would be interesting to see after how many generations the Yellow-perch could adapt completely to warmer temperature.

That you could possibly sell Yellow-perch in southern Kansas.

Notice, it may be a dream.
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Compare this with above.. I'd say she's gravid..
This fish caught today, was 10ozs over current State record. In fact, we caught 3 today all at least 5oz over record.. one day a kid will be the one on the other end..

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Snipe - Keep doing what you are doing and in a year or two those perch will be 15" or maybe 16" long. Then the old state record will be long ago in the rear view mirror. Your established high performance brood stock is proof this can happen.

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If he has the correct genetics, it they will be 17" long.
Cody Note - some of his YP brood stock were 19" long. I am eagerly awaiting the rest of the story as the saga continues.

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I am hoping Snipe's genetically superior YP can stand some slightly higher temperatures. If I can get my YP pond built this year, I will try to stock some next spring.

However, I am farther south in Kansas AND at a lower elevation. I think my average temperature is about 5-6 degrees F warmer than his operation. I might have to perform some delicate aeration operations to keep the DO and temperatures just inside of the tolerable range.

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does your state recognize home grown hand fed YP from a private pond as an official state record? Maybe it is only in MI where recognized records only come from public bodies of water?

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Originally Posted by canyoncreek
does your state recognize home grown hand fed YP from a private pond as an official state record? Maybe it is only in MI where recognized records only come from public bodies of water?

Yes. It's a fair entry by KS standards. This was the 16th to best it and they just keep growing. I've had a few friends fish here but all but 1 of the 16 have been caught by me. The 1 fish, caught by my friend who is our region 1 NW Biologist, is also the gent that said smb and yp probably won't work here. He has very much changed his mind and I have sold some smb to them for other community projects in my region.

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Originally Posted by azteca
Hello.

If it's possible, it would be interesting to see after how many generations the Yellow-perch could adapt completely to warmer temperature.

That you could possibly sell Yellow-perch in southern Kansas.

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I think this summer and next summer for Augie will tell a bit about these fish and how they will fair in slightly warmer waters.
I also think if stocked as 3-4" fish they have a better chance of adapting than stocking 8-10" fish, but I may be wrong.

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I am waiting on ice-out with great anticipation.

With the exception of the one corner where I'm running a shallow ring diffuser, my pond has been under ice since the weather snapped off cold the 1st of January.

We had a couple warm days last week which melted the 7"-8" of snow that was on the ground. All of that runoff coupled with cold nighttime temps has actually
caused a substantial increase in the thickness of the pond ice.

Air temps are all over the place this time of year in Misery. The ice might all be gone by the weekend, and it might hang around until mid-March.

Either way, I will be ready to begin some hook and line sampling as soon as I have open water.

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Originally Posted by Snipe
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does your state recognize home grown hand fed YP from a private pond as an official state record? Maybe it is only in MI where recognized records only come from public bodies of water?

Yes. It's a fair entry by KS standards. This was the 16th to best it and they just keep growing. I've had a few friends fish here but all but 1 of the 16 have been caught by me. The 1 fish, caught by my friend who is our region 1 NW Biologist, is also the gent that said smb and yp probably won't work here. He has very much changed his mind and I have sold some smb to them for other community projects in my region.

Biologists who adapt their thinking push innovate ideas forward.

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