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John I hope their wrong,that would really be sad.I hope I don't have the same long term forecast here.We have a chance of rain and storms this weekend when the next cold front comes in,I'll keep my fingers crossed.lol!My ground was so dry that it's soaking a lot of the water I got up,but not as fast as it was at first.


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It was wrong already. We got 1.9 inches out of the storm that came through between 1 AM and 7 AM this morning. We didn't get much run off; the ponds only gained about 2.5 inches. How much did you guys up in NE MO get?

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That's great John.We didn't get much.We got a few very fast short showers that only lasted a few minutes each yesterday that they wasn't even calling for.They talked like we was going to get a fair amount last night but we only got a small shower around 7 am and we've gotten some heavy mist today with a few sprinkles.Pobably lucky if I got over .25 inches all together.It all helps!


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John I think the rain you got made it's way up to me last night,radar showed it coming up from down your way.We had sprinkles and light showers all night.Looking at what is in my bird bath,it looks like we got a little over 1 inch for the whole weekend.A good slow soaking rain.It should really help my grass,and it did put a few inches in the pond.

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Hard to say how much we received up north, from each front.
I know I had about 2" from the climate dot com reports. When I got to the rain gauge it had 3.5" in it! So, one of the climate dot com reports was off. I'm still about 2' from full, but I was about 4' from full last year. Doesn't look like much in the forecast for the next few weeks..

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I'm still down 30" from full. This date last year, was down 32-1/4".
It's been much the same weather as last fall. Last fall's drought didn't begin to break until late December.

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The last front had strong winds and blew over a fair size tree (which also knocked over a few smaller ones) into my pond.I've been working on cleaning it up after work the last 2 days and still have more to do.While doing that I notice a dead tree that looks like it will come down soon in my pond area so I think I will take it down so I can clean it up before the pond fills.Cutting and burning wood and brush is starting to get old,thats about all I've done for the last 7 months.lol!

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Originally Posted By: Bobbss
(snip) Cutting and burning wood and brush is starting to get old,thats about all I've done for the last 7 months.lol!


It does get old. I did that pretty steady during the cooler months from November of 2013 (when we moved to this place) until I mostly finished by late spring 2016. Parts of this place had been totally neglected for 10 to 20 years, and I had only a chain saw, brush mower, loppers, and only limited extra help to get it done. We also hauled off about a ton of scrap metal and old fencing mixed in with parts of the brush.

You will want some cover in the pond. I made a few large bundles of briars and honeysuckle that were wrapped around small trees and sunk them in the ponds. It helped to build the forage base by providing shelter for fry and small fingerlings.

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I cut some pretty good sized cedar trees and put them in before the pond was full. This is in April of 15. I had FHM in, but not the YP, RES, and GSH. They've helped for sure. I had to swim them it a bit further from the bank. It was chilly in April. The pic also shows the SMB beds I was building.



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I have made 3 cedar brush piles and about 10 small rock piles.I also have some root wads.I've been setting some more cedar a side to make more piles and plan to make more rock piles.The sides of my pond are so steep that I don't have a lot of good places to make them.


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Bobbss: If you can get some old carpet, put the rock piles on top of it. It will help keep rocks from sinking into muck.

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John,I may give that a try.The ones I've made so far are on such steep ground that I've been trying to get the rocks to stick down in the dirt to keep them from sliding to the bottom.


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You can stake things down if they might be prone to drift down the slope. Surveyor grade stakes are pretty cheap and work well.

Giant zip ties work well to attach cedar trees to a concrete block to keep them from wandering around the pond. You can buy 36" really heavy duty zip ties (used to secure flexible duct work in attics) in bags of 100 for a very reasonable price. Bought in bulk from a plumbing supply store they are not much different in price than a bag of 12" zip ties.


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John,I may give that a try.The ones I've made so far are on such steep ground that I've been trying to get the rocks to stick down in the dirt to keep them from sliding to the bottom.


Get a few grade stakes or scrap lumber ripped for stakes, a scrap piece of board, stake the board in the bank to let the rocks pile up against. Drive the stakes in deep enough and screw the board to the stakes so the lumber will not float. Under water the board will likely last ten years.

I used a loader bucket to cut a notch in the bank to create a ledge so my rock piles would not migrate down. But that might not be a good idea in a pond that has a clay liner or is compacted. We have soil that is not prone to leaking so I did not have to worry about disturbing compaction layers.

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Thanks Snurb,I've thought about doing something like your saying with the wood but wasn't sure if I should.I was thinking of using some small cedar logs.


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Here is a few picture of the grass on the dam.The back is looking pretty good,the front is a little slower in covering.I think some of the problem is they ran out of good dirt at the end of the build and the water side didn't get as much good top soil spread on things.The back also got the straw blankets that helped a lot.Every time I go to Farm and Home I get 15 ponds or so of Winter Rye and through it on the thin spots.It's hard to tell from the water side picture,but it is starting to come up all the way down to the water.
I noticed today that the little bit of water it does have,is still muddy but is starting to get a green film on it.

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Good job. It looks better than either pond of mine did at the same stage of re-vegetation.

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Thanks John.


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I don't know if I need to seed anymore, but can anyone tell me how late in the year I can throw out Winter Rye (which I guess is winter wheat) and it still come up?I don't want to waste my time or money if it won't come up.lol!Is there anything else that will come up late in the year?Earlier I planted Buck Oats,Wheat and Rye Grass on everything on the water side,with some tall fescue above the water line.Then I started adding the Winter Rye mostly to the thinner spots.The Deer sure like it,and their not helping maters much.lol!I've also been re strawing a little as the wind blows it around.


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I threw out some winter wheat the first part of December of 2015 and got limited germination. Some of it laid on the ground and came up the next spring. I think for your location, you are now about 5 weeks late, but depending on weather anomalies, you might get some results. Your pond is looking really good. I think you would be better covering the bare spots with straw now instead of trying for grass this late in the season. If it's where it will blow you could hold it down with landscape netting.

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Thanks John,we've had a few cold days here and it's been as cold as 28 in the morning 2 times I think but it's been warm for the most part.Yesterday was 79,today is in the 60s,not sure what tomorrow is suppose to be but Sunday is suppose to be 79 again and cool off again Monday.
I think I have enough seed down, what I really need is more rain.It's been almost 2 weeks since the last rain.I have a small chance of rain tomorrow night when the warm front comes in, and a better chance Sunday night and Monday when the cold front comes in.


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Bob,
We received about 4.3 inches of rain in October, according to the average of my two rain gauges. Nearly half of it was in the 1.9 inch rainfall on October 22nd. The others were piddly, slow rains averaging about a half inch each. We only received a total of 0.6 inches in September. It still seems dry here, moderate drought according to the US Drought Monitor website. October didn't come close to making up for September. We need a good three day rain of about 4" total.

It's 81 degrees here now, and humid. Dew point is 65 deg.

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I was wrong,it's tonight that I have a slim chance of a small shower,not tomorrow night.Sunday,Monday and Tuesday I have a better chance.I hope we get something,the little bit I have is drying-soaking up slowly but surely.


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We keep getting a tenth here, and a tenth there. It isn't filling up the pond, but it ought to be helping your grass come in. Got another chance on Saturday.


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The little rain we got last night put a few inches back in it,as did what we got last Sunday and Monday.It keeps soaking it up and still hasn't gotten any higher than it did when I got that first big rain that put water in it.I'm hoping we'll get a better rain this weekend,but I'm going out of town to Branson Saturday morning and won't get to see it.
The grass is doing ok,but it is slowing down on the growing with the colder temps we have now.I'll post some new pictures before this weekend.


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