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Kaos #463440 02/08/17 12:22 AM
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My experience with fish is that size is more important than age. I've been surprised over the years with that. I've seen quite a few ponds under-stocked with bass...like 20 per acre of yoy fish in the spring and the following spring a handful of the fastest growers spawned at 9-10 inches.
I've seen that with bluegills and redears, too. It doesn't take many. And, I've seen males produce milt at younger ages.
There is a caveat, though. The only time I have been able to confirm that is during the first twelve months of a newly stocked lake. After that, there's no way to prove it.
The fish in the photos above are plenty old enough to spawn. If one or two of those hybrids are girls and one or two redears are big enough, they could do it, even in the fall. Seems weird, but I see weird all the time.


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Bob, thanks for your input.
I feel fortunate to have them spawn so quick, wasn't expecting it for sure.
I see weird all the time too, good and bad, lol.

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I have observed RES in my forage pond in late summer, the first year after stocking in the spring, 4-5" males on nests. They were 1-3" when stocked.

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Just for fun, here are some YOY RES pics, notice the faint vertical stripes?






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Your wife and her photography is a hero again! Give her a kiss! Holy Crap - some of those stocker fish that you released were 5" long. They were plenty big enough as B.Lusk says to spawn. Your small fish below your dam are offspring of your October stocking. As I mentioned earlier, this fall they should be, after 10 months of growth, 5"-7" long and recognizable as to what they are.

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Like Shorty I have seen yoy RES with bars/stripes. There is a pic of one and a discussion if I can find it. Notice also the eye color on your fish from behind the dam and the one Shorty posted. Good work by all.
















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Originally Posted By: ewest
... They are not all the same. ...


+1 For example, the fish in the top center of the photo appears to me to be different than the vertical fish on the left.

I have learned a lot from this thread. It will be interesting to see these guys when they get bigger.


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Decided to try and catch a few to see what size they are now. Picture is biggest I caught. Date is 3/31/17.



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That fish is big enough to spawn. My guess is that is a HBG. I would also guess it is a GSF X CNBG.

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How long did it take you to get them that size?



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Originally Posted By: farmallsc
How long did it take you to get them that size?

I stocked the (new) pond on 10/13/16.

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Originally Posted By: ewest
That fish is big enough to spawn. My guess is that is a HBG. I would also guess it is a GSF X CNBG.


Sorry, I'm still learning all this. Can you explain what you mean?
I thought this was no doubt a HBG. Do you think it is a cross between two other fish?

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Originally Posted By: Kaos
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That fish is big enough to spawn. My guess is that is a HBG. I would also guess it is a GSF X CNBG.


Sorry, I'm still learning all this. Can you explain what you mean?
I thought this was no doubt a HBG. Do you think it is a cross between two other fish?


I'm not ewest (he's purtier), but I'll answer the question....HBG is the acronym for Hybrid Bluegill, which is a cross species fish. ewest is saying he agrees, it is a Hybrid, but, a cross between a Green Sunfish (GSF), and a Coppernose Bluegill (CNBG). The "typical HBG is a cross between a Green Sunfish and a Northern, or "straight" Bluegill (BG).

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Thanks Rainman for the clarification.

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Exactly Rex - thanks!

Kaos do you have any more pics of that fish? Where did you get your stocker fish?
















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Originally Posted By: ewest

Kaos do you have any more pics of that fish? Where did you get your stocker fish?


Only this one other picture...
I got my fish from Dunn's Fish Farm. Their delivery truck came to a nearby city and I picked them up there.
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Thanks for the pic.
















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I'll be curious how those fish do. Please keep updating as you go along. smile


"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"

If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
PB answer: It depends.
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@sprkplug - will do.

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UPDATE ON BASS: 7/3/2017


I put F1 Bass in the pond on May 12 (see pic below).
We caught a bass yesterday, I couldn't believe the size of this thing compared to the size we put in about six weeks ago. This thing was fat too. Is this average growth?
I can't imagine a fish growing this fast.
The BG are not growing this fast.
See the pics below.
FWIW; This pond just turned a year old.

Bass May 12, 2017


Fish caught yesterday.




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It is possible but not likely .
















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Kaos - Without actual length measurements and from my estimated lengths of each bass (start 115mm, end 228mm in 48 days) and calculations the bass would have had to grow 2.3mm per day. I've recorded fast growing predators can grow up to 2mm per day. We have to keep in mind that a few of the stocker bass could have been slightly larger than the one you photographed. If the pond was full of the right size foods, this amount of growth for F1 bass is possible as ewest says. One way to be more confident that the July 03 bass came from the ones stocked is if you can catch several others which indicates they are from the ones stocked back on May 14.

Try fishing soon for more of them AND get some actual length measurements of them so a better estimate and record can be obtained. Then I can put this growth info in the bass management archives section. When you are catching and measuring more, there should be a normal size variation of slower growing vs fastest growing bass as shown in this example where some 3" stocked bass were 8.75" and a few were 11" after 4.5months.
http://forums.pondboss.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=377877#Post377877

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Where did you get your bass from? and I agree with Bill F1`s are known to grow very fast. I was told by suttle fish farm my 2.5" bass can grow to 12" in just 90 days with lots of the right size forage


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Originally Posted By: Dinsmoreoutdoors
Where did you get your bass from? and I agree with Bill F1`s are known to grow very fast. I was told by suttle fish farm my 2.5" bass can grow to 12" in just 90 days with lots of the right size forage


That is amazing...faster growth than satiated CC.

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Originally Posted By: Kaos
Originally Posted By: ewest

Kaos do you have any more pics of that fish? Where did you get your stocker fish?


Only this one other picture...
I got my fish from Dunn's Fish Farm. Their delivery truck came to a nearby city and I picked them up there.
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I have got three different batches of fish from Dunn's. The first batch was unsatisfactory in that the fish were in poor condition and had off species. I bought RES and got not only RES but hybrids and even more than a few either FHM or BNM. I complained and they did make it right with me with replacement fish. Both batches of fish I got from Dunn's at later dates have been fine. They included more RES along with CNBG, F1 LMB and FHM.

I reread this thread and it seems by the posts some may have been under the impression BG had been stocked. Kaos clearly stated that RES and HBG had been stocked, so it is no surprise that he is catching fish that look like hybrids. That is what he stocked.

Dunn's really push the HBG and since they also sell CNBG I would have to asssume their HBG are a cross GSFxCNBG rather than the more common northern BG.


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