Pond Boss Forums POND CONSTRUCTION Renovating a Pond or Lake? Goose Lake

Yep only an aquaculture permit required, which is for grass carp and any other species not on the list of regularly allowed species. And yeah as Rex said you need to file quarterly reports for the grass carp.

Scott, did you hear Rural King had something to do with it? Randy Lang of the INDNR told us at an Indiana Aquaculture meeting, back when governor Pence first became governor, Pence wanted to get rid of all permits. I assumed he was the reason. I believe it is in court though.

Burden is on the supplier and/or whomever hauls the fish except for supliers that have set something up with the INDNR and BOAH. Of course grass carp have to be delivered by the supplier.

When I purchased fish from a Michigan supplier he was set up by BOAH to sell fish to customers in Michigan and Indiana where the customer transferred then back to their ponds in oxygen bags. No responsibility to the purchaser but the receipt was your paper trail.

That's what I thought also. And that was the reason for my initial post, comparing GC additions in Texas and Indiana. I think Dave mentioned applying for a permit, and building an excluder. I just pay the supplier and add the fish. What the supplier goes through to get the GC hasn't impacted me thus far.

FWIW my Illinois supplier adds this foot note to GC on their price list:

"$10 per KSH stocking Fee"

I assume that means I would need to pay 10 bucks and they take care of everything? I don't know what KSH means.

Indiana permits are easy to navigate, and free, but the supplier should not be letting you stock your own GC...

I have no clue what KSH is either, or why there is an extra charge in ILL.

The letter I got from IDNR said the DNR had been sued and the court found IDNR lacked statutory authority to require a hauling/transport permit. The letter went on to say, expect the law to change and a permit to be required in the near future. It will probably cost now, to cover the law suit...

In defense of the great state of Texas, they have a very loose policy on new ponds. Last I heard, anything under 200 acre-feet does not require a permit.

So a 10 acre lake with average 20 foot depths is okay, or 20 acres average 10 foot depths.

Considering the radical differences in precipitation between east and west Texas, in my opinion this is actually too loose once you get much west of Fort Worth. Fortunately my little pond won't come close to 200 acre feet, even if I expand it a bit.

Very true. And they don't. But I've never applied nor received any permit to stock GC, nor do I need an excluder. Cash changes hands, fish go in. Done. I suppose the supplier needs a permit, but that's their end, not mine.

Maybe I just have a great working relationship with my suppliers?

From what I know, Indiana does not require excluders like Texas does. I don't know if it is just for ponds in the Lake Fork tributary area or if it's other areas too.

Cecil, I heard that from a person that was talking to TSC about getting pond supplies in their stores.

When I put in a request for Grass Carp to the TPW I had to fill out a one or maybe two page form (supplied by Todd Overton). Form requested location of pond by giving directions to drive to the pond or gps. I had to draw a picture of the pond (and I am not an artist) so I drew a rectangle, and the form asked how the pond drainage was set up. (I think there were choices, like spillway or syphon etc.) I picked syphon. I remember it asking about where the pond water went after it passed through the syphon. Choices were given on the form. In my case I chose pasture. That's was all there was to it. I received the permit with no comments from the TPW about any form of excluders. Excluders were NOT required for me to receive the permit. I think it was all about where the pond drains, if near a river or such. And I am one mile from the only Natural Lake in Texas. These carp are Sterile !! And Frank, There is no such thing as "too lose government intrusion into our ponds in Texas".

Tracy

Now I'm confused? Is it TSC, or Rural King that supposedly might be selling fish? I will say this much, Rural King has the best price on Cutrine that I've ever seen.

What's an excluder? Barrier so they won't swim out of the pond?

There was one suppler set up at one of the big box stores Here in Indiana a while back, that got caught allowing grass carp to be picked up by the customers, and taken back to their ponds.

I think I may have figured out what KSH means, Keystone Hatchery. I now assume that Keystone has to do the actual stocking into the pond and they charge an extra $10 fee per fish for this.

Wow $10.00 extra per fish isn't cheap!

Sometimes it is easier to ask for forgiveness than go through the hassle.

No, but then again it depends on the size of the order. It's dang cheap if only a few fish are ordered. If a person were to order 2 GC, and it took 40 - 60 miles round trip to deliver them, it's a loss for Keystone.

I'm changing prices this Spring. Jones now has a $300 minimum fish order size for free delivery.

I've had people call wanting me to stock one grass carp and they were 45 miles away. What should the price of that fish be??

Understood.

IYOO do you think the fear of triploid grass carp in public waters is justified, hence the fact that they have to be delivered?

Delivered or not, floods do happen. Since they are all certified, I am not that concerned about here in Indiana. Since Texas is so close to where a lot of grass carp are raised, I can see their concern about ensuring that all GC are contained and Triploid. They have more frequent flooding there with greater potential for escapees.

Texas does not have the restrictions that we do, they can go to the supplier and pick up the grass carp.

I don't know why They are charging an extra $10/fish for a free permit. Illinois started requiring "Restricted species transportation permits" in July, 2015, that are issued through Illinois Dept of Agriculture.

Update:

Just got the 2016 Fish Price List. The $10 charge was on the 2015 list but is not on this one.

i live in sw michigan.i had the front of my pond dredged out , got the permit from the deq .they have a 7 year limit as to when they can check on the job done and see if it meets their standard.they are very powerful people and i don't like dealing with them i am glad the 7year period is over with. they don't tell you when they are coming to look at the site they just come.they act like they own it.muskrats are destroying my banks now ...it is getting to be a mess