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Bill D. #413737 06/01/15 08:06 PM
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So I was needing a way to get out on the pond. I bought an Old Town canoe Discovery 169 for $200 today. Not a scratch on it. Looks brand new. I know absolutely nothing about buying boats. How bad did I screw up?

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Have no clue Bill but it will be fun to check it out! Finall moved to the lake.... Home sweet home.

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That is damn fantastic my friend! Catch a BCP and eat it for me! I like my fish sandwich on a lightly toasted bun with a thin slice of vidalia onion, pepperjack cheese, crisp lettuce and homemade tarter suace! grin


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So I was needing a way to get out on the pond. I bought an Old Town canoe Discovery 169 for $200 today. Not a scratch on it. Looks brand new. I know absolutely nothing about buying boats. How bad did I screw up?


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Wear a flotation device (jacket). Canoes are not known to be stable like a Jon boat is...at least till you get used to it...


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I tossed 2 minnow traps out last night to do some sampling.

Caught lots of 1.5" BG and 2" FHM. I also caught these two in the pictures below.

I know the pictures are not great but had a heck of a time getting them to hold still. I would appreciate your guys thoughts.

The SF has orange on the flap. I have no idea about the minnow. Only minnows I have ever "intentionally" stocked are FHM.




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BillD. Interesting fish in those pictures. Your unknown minnow could be a young golden shiner. We should get a confirmation from CJ for these fish. Sunfish might be a RES or Hybrid? It likely came in with the BG you stocked. We will have to probably wait until they get larger for a better identification.

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I also stocked PS. Could it be a PS?


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Originally Posted By: sprkplug
I often observe my BG leaving the nest, most often due to a cold front passing through. I don't know what your temps are today, but it was almost chilly down here this afternoon. Combine that with a cool rain, and I think it would be enough to send them back out deeper for a bit. I'm betting they'll be back when it warms up a degree or two.

Once the males commit to the nest, I think they are less likely to be driven off....but not guaranteed.



You were spot on Sparkie. Warmed up today and about 75% of the nests had males on them tonight.


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BillD. Interesting fish in those pictures. Your unknown minnow could be a young golden shiner. We should get a confirmation from CJ for these fish. Sunfish might be a RES or Hybrid? It likely came in with the BG you stocked. We will have to probably wait until they get larger for a better identification.


More info.... the fish farm I got my YP, PS and FHM from also sell RES and GSH....Hmmmm


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Bill, I been a canoe enthusiast for a long time. Have had plenty and tho I prefer aluminum because of their lighter weight what you got should be fine for your pond. That canoe has a lot of room and weight capacity and is pretty stable. If you were to buy a new one it would crank ya a bit over a grand. Excellent buy !! I sold a 17' aluminum off brand in 1984 for $175 and that guy got a fair deal. Enjoy the toy but get used to it in warm weather.


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Thanks Bob. If nothing else, maybe I got something of value I can trade later for a small Jon boat if this old man needs more stability!

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Advice on life jacket noted and I thank you. I will pick up a couple.

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A friend of mine sold his canoe and bought one made from Kevlar I think. He said it was 50% the weight of his old one, and has a lifetime no-leak warranty. If he poked a hole in the bottom, they'd repair it at no cost. It wasn't cheap tho.......


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Update...I see SF spawning beds in the shallower areas. The visibilty is only about 24 inches so I suspect there are some deeper ones as well. Lots of FHM are spawning in burrows they have made under flat rocks.

I don't know whether my YP spawned as the visibility was so low it was immpossible to see if there were egg strands. I also don't know if the SMB (3 year old fish) spawned. Guess I will wait and see.

So the forage base is growing great! smile I may be forced to stock LMB next spring to keep up if the SMB and YP didn't spawn. frown Heck I may have to stock the LMB even if the SMB and YP spawned. My forage base is skyrocketing and I don't want stunted SF.

Edit: ....and I know a lot of you forum gray beards warned me of SF over population but, heck it was an experiment!....hmmm maybe should have stocked more YP last fall...next time! grin

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The SF apparently have accepted the pond expansion. Nests are covering the spawning shelf I built for them in the new east bay in about 2 feet of water.

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Interesting development. I changed the timer on the aerator from 1.5 hours to 4.5 hours last night. So now 1:00 to 5:30 AM run. Tonight, the toadpoles were in clumps around the pond instead of all spread out, I did not see male BG on nests and feeding when I tossed the pellets was way down. Is it possible I dropped the overall pond temp enough to cause this? Should I have changed the aerator run time more slowly?


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What does your thermometer say? Did you get a bunch of rain today that could have changed the temp?


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No rain today and I am ashamed to say it never occurred to me to measure water temps before and after the aerator time change. Dangit! Still learning!


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Another vote for cold rain.


"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"

If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
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No rain today. Any last night or yesterday?


"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"

If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
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Yesterday got a half inch in an off and on rain all day. So you guys are saying maybe I didn't screw up again?? smile


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No, you probably didn't screw up. Your water temps dropped after the rain, and the fish moved off. They'll be back.


"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"

If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
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Gosh dangit Sparkie, Off, On, back again, gone again!! Must be driving them nuts! Plan is to move the giant dirt piles around the pond this week, weather permitting. That should scare the heck out of them. I am starting to feel like the father that keeps flashing the porch light when his daughter just got home from her first date! Ain't never gonna get that first kiss with me around!


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My fish must be experiencing the same frustrations as yours Bill. The BCP are still full of eggs. They should have been done a couple of weeks ago but are just now going on bed.

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Speaking of mutt
Just caught 2 8" warmouth and added them to my puddle. So that aught to add to the mix

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Any pictures you can share of the warmouth? I don't think we see them in lakes around my house and I'd like to learn to recognize them.

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