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Have 200 caged F and M YP and am ready to stock my YP reproduction cell which is about .2 acres for the first season ever.
Need recommendations on QTY of brood fish to stock. I am planning on selecting my healthiest F and M YP, just need to know good numbers.
I will be adding some branches to help facilitate strand laying...appreciate the guidance in advance. I'd prefer to keep brood qty as low as possible to help reduce cannibalism.
Bill, Cecil...anyone?
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TJ I can't help you, but I'm excited to see what kind of results you get. Good stuff!!.....
"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"
If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
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Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
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For good fertilization of eggs they suggest more males than females and a ratio of 10:1 or more. Cecil will have input. You can get fertilization with a 50:50 mix but you will likely see eggs in the strands that are not fertilized.
One thing you can do is keep all or some the fish in the cage until they lay eggs. Cecil and I get YP laying eggs in cages all the time. Remove selected egg strands and hatch them in the pond on brush, baskets or live boxes. After the spawn hand pick the YP you want to grow out and continue as brood stock. One year old males from the 2014 hatch will be available to fertilize next years egg strands.
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Do you think that I will have enough males in the 25 8-9" YP that I bought last year to get a population going in my 1 acre pond?
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Thanks bill for .2 acre cell can you recommend qty? Is 5 f and 50 m too light?
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Bill is spot on as usual.
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Do you think that I will have enough males in the 25 8-9" YP that I bought last year to get a population going in my 1 acre pond? Any largemouth bass? If so what size?
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No bass, only FHM, GSH, and small RES.
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Cecil, let me know what you recommend on stocking qty when time allows, or I'll call you later or tomorrow.
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No bass, only FHM, GSH, and small RES. I think that will work but they will probably get to the point you need a predator. Is this the proposed smallmouth pond?
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Cecil, let me know what you recommend on stocking qty when time allows, or I'll call you later or tomorrow. Is this just to produce fingerlings or if not, what is the purpose? Sorry if I missed the post. To produce fingerlings in my 1/10th acre pond I put about 5 females in a 5 x 5 cage with about 15 males, I also bundle some willow branches on the bottom with yellow polypropylene rope and part of a cinder block to weight it down. There's possibility the branches aren't even necessary. This year I will be trying something different.Since my fish are essentially ornamental fish and not destined for the table, I will be injecting the females with Ovaprim to synchronize the spawning. One of the problems with spawning several females is they do not spawn all at once, which can cause a size disparity and subsequent cannabilism of offspring. http://www.wchemical.com/ovaprim-ovammmlu010.html
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RAH with only 25 YP all 8"-9" you may have mostly females. It can depend on their age. For good production I like to buy a mix of sizes. YP are relatively cheap so in my pond I try to suppress production. And each year buy 30-50 quality pellet trained YP to replace what is harvested. With one sizable egg strand from a female YP 8"-10" long one can easily get 7,000 - 10,000 fry. If the pond does not have significant predation one can easily have way too many fingerling YP and their growth is thus only moderate to slow. I want my YP to be mostly all large and move quickly into the 12" size class.
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Cecil, let me know what you recommend on stocking qty when time allows, or I'll call you later or tomorrow. Is this just to produce fingerlings or if not, what is the purpose? Sorry if I missed the post. To produce fingerlings in my 1/10th acre pond I put about 5 females in a 5 x 5 cage with about 15 males, I also bundle some willow branches on the bottom with yellow polypropylene rope and part of a cinder block to weight it down. There's possibility the branches aren't even necessary. This year I will be trying something different.Since my fish are essentially ornamental fish and not destined for the table, I will be injecting the females with Ovaprim to synchronize the spawning. One of the problems with spawning several females is they do not spawn all at once, which can cause a size disparity and subsequent cannabilism of offspring. http://www.wchemical.com/ovaprim-ovammmlu010.html Yes Cecil, this is a YP reproduction cell - first time I'm attempting it. I may need more details on the fertilized egg strand idea regarding timing and moving it into the cell. Sure would solve a lot of problems having to feed adult YP and worrying about constant cannibalism. If it's too much to type I can reach out tomorrow.
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Cecil and Bill should write a article, wait a book on YP!
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Cecil and Bill should write a article, wait a book on YP! I wish. Bill knows a lot more than I do!
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I agree Travis...I will edit it for an autographed copy.
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So maybe I should just wait and see, and not add the SMB until I see babies?
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Waiting to see young YP is my usual suggestion for the first stocking of SMB. In a relatively weed free pond the predation by SMB on YP often eventually out paces the YP production. Good management is important for producing a high quality YP fishery with SMB that annually recruit new smallies. Adequate forage is often the weak link in a YP-SMB pond which is why I like to use pellet trained stockers with YP&SMB combination.
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That is good info. I need to wait until the weeds start growing before adding the SMB. I considered adding small SMB this fall - just a few, but maybe fall of 2015 or spring of 2016 would be better. I do not plan to feed.
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With no feeding and unless you keep the densities low expect slow growth of YP and SMB especially after the pond is 4-6yrs old.
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I think that if I know what needs removing, I will have no trouble finding volunteers to remove them. Of course that is a big if.
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I put 25 8-9" YP and 25 3-4" RES in a 1 acre pond with GS and FHM in the fall of 2013. When can I expect to see some YP fry? When should I start looking for egg strands in central Indiana?
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RAH,
Did you have a spawn 2014? I stocked 50 YP 5 to 7 inches last fall and was told to expect a spawn this year by both Bill C. and the biologist at the fish farm I use.
Edit: Do you have a lot of branch type structure for the spawn habitat? I read a paper by Dave Willis that stated, in the absence of branch type structure, the YP will lay the strands on the bottom of the pond and survival will be very low, if at all.
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Tj Are these for adding into one of your ponds some day or other use?
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