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Got in the car for the first time since Sunday evening. Had to work at getting the tires unfroze from the ground (parked on dirt floor in the lean-to).

Heat wave - it's in the +teens here. They are calling for +40F on Sat with rain.


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This will help with my dwindling wood pile and I think I just heard a sigh of relief from my propane tank!

Probably short-lived but exciting none the less (from my perspective grin ).



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Originally Posted By: RAH
Why the US failed to switch to the metric system is telling.


Yes it is still a wonder why the US has not made the change even still. Pop or mix is still sold in liter not oz. All my life we had to learn both. I use inches all day for work and convert to mm. For manufacturing mm is much easier to convert for a computer. I do wonder if machine shops use mm or convert inches to thousands of an inch in the US?

I find my self using both but inches more then centimeters or millimeters. Half inch plywood is sold here as 12.5mm one inch plywood is sold as 25mm but a 2X4 is still sold as s 2X4 but it is 1.5"X3.5"s dressed four side.

So when I said I had 20"s of snow that would be 50cm of snow and 15"s of ice would be about 38cm or 380mm's of ice. Tee he he. It is kind of easy to remember 25mm is one inch or 10"s is 250mm or 25cm.

And for a close to temp conversion take away 30 then divide by two. If my grandma would say it is 90 in Florida I would end up with 60 divide by two would be 30C that is hot.

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I really like the temperature part of the metric system but the rest isn't very handy.
All of our roads were built in miles. Land is in sections 1x1 mile.

What makes more sense then celcius. Water freezes at 0 and boils at 100.


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The machine shops that I'm familiar with (and all the drawings that I've dealt with) take inches and convert it to thousants of an inch.

I had to convert it so much that I have just about all the fractions to thousanths memorized. I even bought a couple of tape measures that read in inches and tenths of an inch, not 16ths.


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I have anywhere from 8" to 12"...Actually cleared the center on pond and bought some ice skates for wife and boys...Hopefully the warm up holds off so they get to enjoy them a little before it is unsafe..

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Which brings my next question.. How long does before ice becomes unsafe with day temp pushing 40° and night temps at just below freezing...

I know every situation is different, but never really paid attention of ice on ponds...

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Best bet is to measure your ice.

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Originally Posted By: blair5002
I really like the temperature part of the metric system but the rest isn't very handy.
All of our roads were built in miles. Land is in sections 1x1 mile.

What makes more sense then celcius. Water freezes at 0 and boils at 100.


The roads are set at 1 1/4 miles up here. I was told something about so many rods for the frontage of the 100 acres and so many of these across and only two farms deep to make it to the next mile and a quarter.

I do know if you look at ice and as it starts to honeycomb it will change from nice and dark to grey or snow like. This ice is very weak and would want 10"S or more before I would walk on it. IT gos out much faster than it is made for sure. 6"s of ice can be gone in four days if the temp of over 0*C or 32*F.

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Which brings my next question.. How long does before ice becomes unsafe with day temp pushing 40° and night temps at just below freezing...

I know every situation is different, but never really paid attention of ice on ponds...


I would guess at least a week with 12" but as you said, it depends. I've gone through the ice at -30f with 4' of ice all around me while beaver trapping so you never know.


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Originally Posted By: esshup
The machine shops that I'm familiar with (and all the drawings that I've dealt with) take inches and convert it to thousants of an inch.

I had to convert it so much that I have just about all the fractions to thousanths memorized. I even bought a couple of tape measures that read in inches and tenths of an inch, not 16ths.


Just using the decimal format. Some people get so frustrated if things don't work out to a fraction eek

If a tape measure is involved, then I go to the nearest 1/32" on the CAD files.

I've been known to scribe a line on a part with the tools, then toss it in the mill and split that line down the middle within a grand or so, without measuring. I don't think my peepers work that well anymore.

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From -15°F on Monday to +34°F and pretty heavy rain this afternoon. It's not supposed to dip below freezing until Sunday sometime.

I looked at my pond, and it looks like there are 2 spots where water is running into the pond through the ice, and the white snow on the pond is mostly blue and completely saturated with water.

I'll walk out on the pier and drill a hole before taking a step on the ice. The end of the pier is in 8' of water.


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If the metric system is so great, why do we need conversion tables?


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Pretty much frustrated, spent 2 nights clearing the pond and checking ice for safety and now an inch of rain and 40° plus weather.. Chalk up that ice to experience!!!

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Originally Posted By: Dwight
If the metric system is so great, why do we need conversion tables?


Because the greatest country in the world will not change to metric.


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Originally Posted By: DonoBBD
Originally Posted By: Dwight
If the metric system is so great, why do we need conversion tables?


Because the greatest country in the world will not change to metric.


I don't really mean for this to be political, I don't even know who was on what side, but one of this country's greatest waste of money in the last quarter of the 20th century was to try to convert us to metric. What a boondoggle.


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Jut goes to show you how stubborn we are!

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Funny stuff on the metric system!

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(Keep the volume down if the kids are nearby due to some language in the clip)

PS - The Etch-a-sketch comment is worth the wait!


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Originally Posted By: Bing

but one of this country's greatest waste of money in the last quarter of the 20th century was to try to convert us to metric. What a boondoggle.


I respectfully disagree Bing. We never really tried IMHO. Too me metric makes so much more sense and is much easier to use once you get the hang of it. You can't read scientific papers and not use it.


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Originally Posted By: DonoBBD
Originally Posted By: Dwight
If the metric system is so great, why do we need conversion tables?


Because the greatest country in the world will not change to metric.


Not sure we are great in anything anymore. Other than military might we lag behind other developed countries.


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Originally Posted By: Bing
Originally Posted By: DonoBBD
Originally Posted By: Dwight
If the metric system is so great, why do we need conversion tables?


Because the greatest country in the world will not change to metric.


I don't really mean for this to be political, I don't even know who was on what side, but one of this country's greatest waste of money in the last quarter of the 20th century was to try to convert us to metric. What a boondoggle.


In my line of work, I've watched the push, and the resistance!

Funny thing tho. Many products I deal with now from around the globe are all in US Customary units as primary, and metric as secondary. IE; fractional!

Guess they got their butt whooped!!

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18.5 inches (47 centimeters) of ice this morning.


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I would respectfully disagree as well. I remember being in grade or maybe middle school when the change was supposed to be happening. We were taught both. IMO metric is by far more consistent, easier to learn and use. I am kind of surprised that we never made it over the hump.

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