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I am doing 10% water change in the morning, then another 10% in the evening after the RES have been fed. This flushes out the poop and any uneaten food on the bottom of my large tank which has 255 gallons of water in it. Each water change only drops the temp 1 degree and it works very well cleaning out the tank which is why I do it. My tank temp always rebounds by the next time I feed. I do have a tendency to overfeed but like to keep the tank very clean. Keep in mind that this in an insulated aquaculture tank that keeps water temps very stable but it also makes it very hard for warm outside air temps to actually warm the water up. I have 55-60 very chunky RES in the 2-4" range in this tank.



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Originally Posted By: Shorty
I am doing 10% water change in the morning, then another 10% in the evening after the RES have been fed. This flushes out the poop and any uneaten food on the bottom of my large tank which has 255 gallons of water in it. Each water change only drops the temp 1 degree and it works very well cleaning out the tank which is why I do it. My tank temp always rebounds by the next time I feed. I do have a tendency to overfeed but like to keep the tank very clean. Keep in mind that this in an insulated aquaculture tank that keeps water temps very stable but it also makes it very hard for warm outside air temps to actually warm the water up. I have 55-60 very chunky RES in the 2-4" range in this tank.


Hey whatever works for you but it seems like a lot of unnecessary work and time to me. In the future if you add a center drain, external standpipe and a gate valve you could flush out all the crud with one pull of a handle. Better yet if it's circular tank you can inflow the water tangentially to the tank wall and create a circular flow to send the crude to the center drain which with one pull of the gate valve handle it's gone.


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Originally Posted By: Cecil Baird1
Hey whatever works for you but it seems like a lot of unnecessary work and time to me. In the future if you add a center drain, external standpipe and a gate valve you could flush out all the crud with one pull of a handle. Better yet if it's circular tank you can inflow the water tangentially to the tank wall and create a circular flow to send the crude to the center drain which with one pull of the gate valve handle it's gone.


I have all of that and my 10% water change takes just five minutes. grin



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Originally Posted By: Shorty
Originally Posted By: Cecil Baird1
Hey whatever works for you but it seems like a lot of unnecessary work and time to me. In the future if you add a center drain, external standpipe and a gate valve you could flush out all the crud with one pull of a handle. Better yet if it's circular tank you can inflow the water tangentially to the tank wall and create a circular flow to send the crude to the center drain which with one pull of the gate valve handle it's gone.


I have all of that and my 10% water change takes just five minutes. grin



Still seems like too much time and work to me, but if it works for you and you don't mind more power to ya.


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Originally Posted By: Cecil Baird1
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Hey whatever works for you but it seems like a lot of unnecessary work and time to me. In the future if you add a center drain, external standpipe and a gate valve you could flush out all the crud with one pull of a handle. Better yet if it's circular tank you can inflow the water tangentially to the tank wall and create a circular flow to send the crude to the center drain which with one pull of the gate valve handle it's gone.


I have all of that and my 10% water change takes just five minutes. grin



Still seems like too much time and work to me, but if it works for you and you don't mind more power to ya.


How do you do water changes? and, How long does it take? wink

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Shorty says five minutes.


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Originally Posted By: Cecil Baird1
Shorty says five minutes.


I was asking you.

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Originally Posted By: JKB
Originally Posted By: Cecil Baird1
Shorty says five minutes.


I was asking you.


Sorry with all thise quotes and subquotes it looked to me like you were asking Shorty. blush

It takes me about 20 minutes as I have to wait for the clarifier drum to drain via a one inch I.D. hose, spray off the filter material, refill, and then put back the filter material. I could do it a lot faster if I skipped the filter material and just opened a valve, and drained off the dirty water, but typically there are a lot of solids trapped in the filter material -- if I have a heavy load of fish or tilapia -- that produce a lot of feces.

It depends on my fish load how often i do this and the species. With tilapia I could get by with once a week, wirh heavy loads of perch and bluegill I've done one 10 percent change per day to play it safe, but have gone three days with no issues.

BTW I will have two systems in the basement this fall and three systems at local high schools to raise and feed my gills and perch over the winter of which i get back in the spring for planting in the trophy pond. I've come up somewith more ways to simplify the system and make it easy to duplicate fairly reasonably. Maybe I can get one of the drafting classes to draw up an exploded view of tbe system for other high schools to duplicate.

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What do you think Cecil, should I try feed training some of this years RES hatch? grin




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Yes from my point of view.
















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Originally Posted By: ewest
Yes from my point of view.


Would they be easier to pellet train at this smaller size?

Catching them at this size without killing them might be challenge. The one in the pitcure was caught while raking some FA tonight and it didn't make it. They are very fragile at this size. When I was finished taking pitcures I dropped this one in the tank with the larger RES that I am pellet training and it lasted about 15 seconds. One of my larger 4" fish came up and claimed it for a snack just as it started to sink.




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Originally Posted By: Shorty
What do you think Cecil, should I try feed training some of this years RES hatch? grin



Sure!


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Originally Posted By: Shorty
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Yes from my point of view.


Would they be easier to pellet train at this smaller size?




Most likely as they is the way it is with bass and yellow perch.


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Yes from my point of view.


Would they be easier to pellet train at this smaller size?




Most likely as they is the way it is with bass and yellow perch.


BTW my yellow perch seem to prefer the 5D02 that floats for a little while over the sinking although they are snapping up the sinking feed. Go figure! Usually it take awhile for them to key in on the floating as the size gets larger.


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With the surface tension of water you can float small sized sinking pellets if they are dropped from a very short distance above the water. With AM 300 I can float most of the pellets if they are dropped from a height of less than an inch.



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Here are a few of the larger RES in my pellet training tank, both of these are 4-3/4", not too bad coming from last years hatch. smile






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Very nice looking fish! I can't wait to see what they look like in 5 years!

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I do have one RES in the tank that is slightly larger than the two pictures I posted, he is strictly a bottom feeder cleaning pellets off the bottom of the tank. I hope he does well in my fish cage.

Sometime in the next few days I am going to take all of the 3"+ RES from my tank and transfer them into my floating fish cage. I will feed them pellets for three weeks in the cage before turning them loose into the pond. My fish cage is placed near the area where I normally pellet feed my pond fish.

I plan to continue to pellet train the smaller RES I have and transfer them to the cage after I turn the larger ones loose.



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Last weekend I was walking around the pond with a handful of AM500 to throw in areas of the pond not near the feeders. I saw a RES facing the shoreline about 3 ft out so I threw him a kibble. Sure enough he jumped at it and swam into a little deeper water where I coulnd't see him then returned in a few seconds. I thought I had (at least) one RES that would eat AM500. I threw him another... NOTHING. He learned the first time he didn't like it, I guess.


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If the pellet didn't float back up right away your RES likely ate it. It's possible your RES didn't see the second pellet.

One thing I have noticed about the RES that I am pellet training is that they don't seem to see very well when food items are above their head and slightly in front of them. They always seem travel 15-20" or more straight out in front of them to eat something off the surface. This includes bloodworms on the surface which they love to eat. This might be one of the reasons they are hard to pellet train and prefer to hang out in deeper water. Their visual acuity and behavior seems to be geared for feeding on items below them rather than above.



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Hmm cool observation shorty.. I like what your doing with the RES.. Keep up the good work man..


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Great observation!


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Update on the pellet training. I put 2/3 of the biggest RES that I had in my tanks into a cage in the pond on July 30th. Tonight I pulled the lid to see how they were doing.



I found a few 3" golden shiners in the cage with the RES.


Two of the bigger RES, looking good for 14 months.




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Those things are HOGS! Looks like a few GSH snuck through the meshing of your cage, or am I seeing something else?

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Yeah, a few 3" GSH snuck into the cage, I bet they were smaller when they first got in. I think my GSH have been spawning on the netting too.



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