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No way! A half inch of junk ice covered with another half inch of slush... I'm just happy the ponds are finally full. (almost)
Cecil, are you running aeration yet (still)? I'm considering powering up the shallow water diffusers.
"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"
If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
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Sprkplug, sorry to pop in but what would be your reasoning for starting up the shallow diffusers other than continued aeration and open-water benefits? Out of 3 shallow and one deep diffuser in my 2 acre oval pond I've had only one shallow one left open but as I'm wanting to ice fish (first timer) and family wanting to ice skate, I'm too reluctant to venture out having open water. I just measured my ice thickness and it's now 4-6" at the dock. And it's not clear ice, it's white.
Just curious, thanks!
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That is the reason LL: Continued aeration. I have ice cover now, and it's grey ice also. The HBG pond is nearly devoid of vegetation, so nature's oxygen producing equipment is non-functional. And with the surface capped, there is no wind or wave interaction either. Combine that with a relatively shallow depth, (around 11'), and a high concentration of fish, and it makes me nervous. It hasn't been locked up for very long, but I will open it up, probably tomorrow....not willing to take a chance.
I hear you on the fishing and skating, but I have too much invested in my fish to to risk it. I'm fortunate to have other ponds at my disposal to satisfy my desire to fish, so I'm okay with opening a hole in this one.
"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"
If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
PB answer: It depends.
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Same here, drought finally ended. My 29" down is gaining an inch per day. Now only 20" down... and an absolute butt-load of water locked up in snow. If we have a thaw, it will be a quick fill! Probably 3" of liquid tied up in the 2' of snow!
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That is the reason LL: Continued aeration. I have ice cover now, and it's grey ice also. The HBG pond is nearly devoid of vegetation, so nature's oxygen producing equipment is non-functional. Don't forget about Phytoplankton. They produce O2 also, and I'd venture to guess about the same amount or more that plants do.
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I haven't forgot about em', but with my water clarity right now I rather doubt they are contributing too much to the O2 production....visibility measured at over 8' a few days ago.
"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"
If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
PB answer: It depends.
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No way! A half inch of junk ice covered with another half inch of slush... I'm just happy the ponds are finally full. (almost)
Glad for ya!
Cecil, are you running aeration yet (still)? I'm considering powering up the shallow water diffusers. I started running it off and on in the trout pond close to shore with one of my smaller diaphragm pumps to keep a little area open in case we get a big dump of snow on the thin ice. I'm feeding my brook trout ever four or five days in that open water. As far as the big pond I've been running another small diaphragm compressor in close to shore too, but continuously because it's not putting out much air. I need to bring it in and replace some parts Cody sent me. It is keeping some ice open though.
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If pigs could fly bacon would be harder to come by and there would be a lot of damaged trees.
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Consider yourself lucky that your ponds are full, mine is still down 5 to 6 feet. No relief in sight for us. Running the shallow aerator full time since only about 8 to 9 feet of depth left in the pond.
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Most of our ponds are dry or have less than 3 feet of water in them.
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I feel for you guys. Our weather seems to be SNAFU too but at least I don't have any issues as I have a well and lots of ground water to top off ponds. In fact, I will be pumping 45 gpm 24/7 through my trout pond starting next April to November. That's a lot of water! However it is a business selling the fish and not just for pleasure. I could potentially get 5 to 8 grand for 100 large frozen brook trout if they are in good enough condition and large enough.
If I can be assured of the quality I will at some point in the future raise them in an RAS where I will use up to 99 percent less water. I'd like to go that route but fin quality is paramount for my niche market and it may not happen in an enclosed tank.
And I feel even more guilty about seining, draining, and refilling my .62 acre pond next year to start over, which will be a million gallons going downstream to Lake Michigan! I need to salvage the largest fish and put them back in, as things got out of whack due to mixed sex bluegill escapees from a cage in a one sex pond.
One thing I don't do anymore: Hold fish in cages over the winter! I bring them inside now into my RAS tanks.
What happened was I had thawing ice move and push up against a cage of mixed sex bluegills. It pushed the cage below the water level, and by the time I noticed it to rectify it, I had escapees. The little devils totally screwed my one sex pond. Literally! LOL Tons of them with only smallmouth and large yellow perch to control them.
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If pigs could fly bacon would be harder to come by and there would be a lot of damaged trees.
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40" below full pool. Max depth is now only 7'. Ice is 2" thick and clear. I'm crossing my fingers.
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Cecil, don't feel guilty. The farmers use a LOT more water than that to irrigate their crops.
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Cecil, don't feel guilty. The farmers use a LOT more water than that to irrigate their crops. That's what I've heard. Wish I could send my water your way!
If pigs could fly bacon would be harder to come by and there would be a lot of damaged trees.
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Well the snowmelt put me over the top...5 out of 6 ponds are now discharging water. First time in months. I hope those who are still in need get some relief soon. 
"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"
If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
PB answer: It depends.
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Glad to see drain's working for you all. Mine hasn't had water flowing in 8 months.
We got over 3" in 36 hours, so I'm hoping that created enough runoff to get some fresh water in my puddle.
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Tony, that's good to see. Mine hasn't overflowed in 2 years, and it's still 55" low..
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Sorry to hear that Scott. I hope you get some of this rain they're forecasting.
"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"
If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
PB answer: It depends.
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No big deal. It's a way of life with groundwater ponds dug in sand. That's the main reason why I made it so deep.
My only option is to put in a well and pump when the rainfall is lacking.
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Well, finally in overflow mode. Full pool! (Or as someone else put it, fool pool!) Snowmelt had a virtual river going into the pond yesterday, filled up quick!
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I find it amazing how much water can move over the ground in the Spring. I can have the well pumping 24/7 and it barely seems to put a dent in the pond water level, but the pond can fill up in a couple of days with Spring meltwater.
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One inch of rain falling on one square foot is .623 gallons. With 43,560 square feet to an acre, one inch of rain on one acre is about 28,000 gallons. If your pond's watershed is 10 acres, a one inch rainfall produces about 280,000 gallons of potential runoff. So it adds up fast!
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We are not out of the woods with this drought yet but we are seeing some improvement. Much of Nebraska is now in a "extreme drought" as opposed to "exceptional drought". We had less than an inch of rain at our place from this last storm but more rain and cool weather is in the forecast. http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/Farther north, long overdue widespread and heavy rains finally fell on much of north-central Plains, especially from the southwestern Nebraska northeastward into southeastern South Dakota. Most locations reported 1.5 to 3 inches of rain, and a significant number of them likely received their greatest 24-hour totals in the past 12 months. According to the Nebraska State Climatologist Al Dutcher, all soil moisture sites in this area have hit 25 percent for the 4 foot layer, and 20 percent for the top 5 five foot. By next week it will become apparent how deep the moisture made it into the profile. Based upon past experiences, it is likely that field capacity will be reached in the top 2 feet of the profile at most locations. But due to the prolonged and severe drought, there is no deep moisture, but moisture is available to support planting and early emergence. Even with the April 9 rains, 12-month deficits still stood at: 10.59 inches at North Platte; 9.31 inches at Valentine; 16.59 inches at Broken Bow; and 6.55 inches at Imperial. And it will take substantial additional moisture to improve drought conditions further. Finding the Reasons for the 2012 Drought But Hoerling and his colleagues found that natural swings in wind patterns and humidity over the Great Plains and the Gulf of Mexico were the major culprits in the 2012 drought.
An Unexpected Combination
A drop in the strength of the wind coming up from the Gulf of Mexico—which usually brings moisture into the Great Plains in summer—combined with unusually low humidity over the area to produce conditions drier than those of the 1930's drought.
A ridge of high pressure squatting over the northern Plains kept cold fronts in Canada from coming down into the central Plains, further stacking the deck in the drought's favor, according to the NOAA report.
Although researchers can get a sense of whether a drought will hit later in the year by looking at the most recent winter precipitation patterns, they had no warning about the 2012 drought.
In the decades leading to 2012, summers in the Great Plains were actually cool and wet, explained Hoerling. When looked at in terms of the historical record, this severe drought was a surprise, he said.
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TPWD put up this page. TEXAS DROUGHT Just got this pic from the farm. Apparently we lost 5 more Oaks with a small storm that came through. Residual drought damage from 2 years ago. 
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Al, I have cedar and locust trees that are still dying from that drought.
I talked to a Botanist who said that post oaks will be dying for the next 10 years.
It's not about the fish. It's about the pond. Take care of the pond and the fish will be fine. PB subscriber since before it was in color.
Without a sense of urgency, Nothing ever gets done.
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