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I think they just saying your original post seemed sales gimmish in a way.. If your not here promoting a product you have a stake in its no worry.. No need for everyone to get their panties in a bunch

And your point is? (In 25 words or less, please.)

Probably shouldn't put your home address on the internet.

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I don't like the tenor of some of this. Next step is posts deleted which will mean info disappears.

Fish change color for lots of reasons. Search for fish coloration. A lot more than just water color/clarity.

Bacteria can help in some cases but IMO it is limited and expensive.

We don't need or want non Pond Boss advertisers posting about sales here. Talk to Bob first then know there are a lot of very critical eyes on here so bad advice will be challenged and corrected.

ha ha...

To be quite honest about it BB is just like everything else. A tool to use to help with your pond management. Like CJ has questioned me before am I sure that BB is to credit for my fish being so healthy and colorful? No because I am using more than just that one tool to make my pond thrive! Is it helping I think it is, but it's no cure all that's for sure! And it's NOT going to turn mucky waters into beach front shorline either.

Bottom line is like Bill Cody, Eric, and many others have said on this site it is a tool that helps along with other tools combined that makes it all work for the better of your pond no one thing is a fix all, at least none that I know of!

RC

Come on Tex.

Come everyone, let's place all this aside. Let's focus on introducing new possible tools for evaluation and improving the ponds, and our enhance our babies being incubated in those ponds.

I apologize if I've created a stink. I'm going to delete all of my posts. It's not up to me to confront others on this site if I'm suspicious of their motives. And frankly it's a waste of my time.

Does adding bacteria work? I don't know as I'm still waiting on some good peer reviewed data using identical ponds and a control. Just haven't seen it yet. I think it's possible though. I also think it's possible for pond folks to fool themselves into thinking it does -- especially if their mixing their water column at the same time to increase aerobic conditions. Remember it's easy to say a product is the greatest thing since cracked ice when you're selling it.

Cecil, no apology needed, nor deletion of your posts. You have the right to be skeptical about any possibility of motives, and of course, inquiries are needed to prove a point, even though the inquiries are a bit brash at time. However, gonefishinii has a point to provide info about the beneficial bacteria.

Adding bacteria do indeed work. However, there's a limit of how much bacteria can be added within a cubic feet before benefit becomes disaster, based on the "combination of bacteria species". However, the contribution factor of bacteria is only a small fraction of the overall picture. It requires time, and prime conditions for the bacteria to do their magic. But additional tools utilized in tandem with the bacteria to help the muck management. You can't expect the combination of specialized bacteria to do the work all by themselves. It doesn't work that way. It's a harmonious concert of various aqua species thriving together that bring about the great results..of course, us human and our tools are among the concert.

I'm not sure who work in the waste water treatment industries among the Pond Boss members, but the ones I work with here in my fields, if no aquatic habitat is involved, extreme concentration of the bacteria will reduce the biowaste down to essentially nothing but a small pile the good stuff to use in your lawns. When introducing to a sensitive aquatic habitats, you have to become extremely weary about the concentration level.

Hey, what's this green stuff on my pond???

Where are the studies though on facsimilies of recreational ponds complete with a control? Good science doesn't say something works; it proves it.

It's the $$ that we pour into them.

Cecil

Leo is correct, being protective over this site and for the people on it you should not apoligize for. Anyone can blurt out something you may or may not agree with, and questioning it should be fine that's how we learn.

What "we" have to do is consider the source and weather or not at this point and time it is trust worthy... and it's up to us not so knew guys and moderators to question it so other young bucks don't just dive into something because they read some random post.

Your fine dont worry about it,

RC

Cecil, look up Big Bear Lake and Lake Elsinore. Both of these lakes have wastewater treatment plants next to, or practically sitting in the middle of, the lakes. Secondary and tertiary treated water is being discharged into the lake as recharged water, based on the biofiltration levels (the mitigation wetlands) being used. Concentration of the beneficial bacteria varies from point-to-point, dependent of where the discharges are released, and where the initial sensitive aquatic habitat is observed. I'll contact the representatives for analytical documentation that you require. They don't broadcast this publicly, since everything an evolving treatment system, which they cannot favor or sponsor specific brand/manufacturing specs, which then they become liable of legal lawsuits when something happens. Being vague about what being used is the best approach.

Now, aside from the wastewater treatment plants, local National Forests discharge points going into the lakes also contain high level of nutrients, muck of all sort, and sedimentary loads. The lake management agencies (municipal water districts primarily) utilized the bacteria to apply at hotspots to reduce the organic loads, preventing the degradation of water quality. When hell breaks lose, they either control the nightmares using copper sulphate (bluestones of death) then follow up in combination of bacteria and/or alum capping/suppression of the hotspots.

Cecil, here are just a few blurbs about it:

http://www.lake-elsinore.org/index.aspx?page=703

http://www.evmwd.com/depts/admin/public_affairs/conservation/recycled_water.asp

http://www.newtechbio.com/dead-algae-and-duckweed-digester.htm

Scott,

That has got to be the wittiest response i have ever read here!

Leo

Thanks. When I get the time I'll have to read your links.

Leo...Just wondering and I don't know nor do I have any idea....your first link is about e-coli bacteria. That's nothing like the beneficial bacteria added to ponds is it? I'd think it would be just the opposite? More like a Rid-X type product added to a new septic tank? It does get the break down process started....to produce a cleaner secondary effluent. I really have no idea and I'm interested to learn. I was just wondering what part the first link played in your thinking on the subject of beneficial bacteria?

On but slightly off target....I did a little google studying a few years ago....looking up the cleanliness of beaches and the color of water as seen by the human eye. People going to beaches or people searching for beaches to take vacations to....always figure the most desolate beaches with the clear or clear blue water were the cleanest beaches and I found that many of them actually have more e-coli or harmful to human properties, than some of the city beaches with brownish or greenish colored ocean waters....in some but not all cases. Pretty much....if you get a glass of water in 4-5 locations...the water is actually pretty much the same, looking at it in a clear glass. Human eyes, light reflection, the sun, depth of water...many things play a part in how the human eye sees the water.

gonefishinii,

First link describes the bacteria monitoring program that is in place, and quite intensive. The reason why is the water districts, due the water shortages, are utilizing every method under the sun to recover wastewater and polluted storm water, recycle, and reuse the water. In order to do that, bacteria loads, including various nutrient loads monitoring, are required. To offset e-coli and fecal coliform from human waste both from water run-offs and wastewater, beneficial bateria are utilized to digest any possible waste, induced biofiltration methods through wetlands, and intercept then reduce any harmful chemical as by-products of the e-coli and coliform.

Rid-X is indeed a product utilized for septic tanks. However, it's also being introduced in a monitored level in the opened environment in an offf-set aerobic state, rather than an isolated anaerobic state, in a modified form. Septic system goes through a two stage process from an underground tank, to a spreading field/cistern. Both processes are a majority in anaerobic state. It's not as effective until the other aerobic bacteria in the soil take care of the 3rd process in the aerated soil. Thus, the secondary effluent being pushed through the wetlands, to induce biologic treatment to reach a natural state of tertiary treatment, minus tons of chemicals.

You hammer that nail so hard on the "clean beaches" but not knowing it's full of e-coli and coliform, inducing massive vomiting. I live in a state where beach closures are the norm. However, the closure rate has decrease significantly. We do not evaluate the safety of the water quality based clarity/color of the beaches. We based the upon lots and lots of water quality sampling. Millions of dollars per year going into monitoring programs that are so intensive, it's made up nearly 25% of the municipal budgets.

Well, I'm not going to ramble on in my fields and studies. It will just make your head spin and your mind foggy from the "HUH?!". Of course, I will answer any question you many be curious in, especially beneficial bacteria in the world of water quality. Just keep in mind that the bacteria only is 15% to 20% of the total package.

Anybody tried yeast in their pond for muck removal.

Yeast + muck = dead yeast/fish foods.