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I had some luck today in finding a bait suppier that gets golden shiners out or Arkansas and provides them to a local bait shop. I'll stop by the bait shop this weekend and set things up.

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Originally Posted By: teehjaeh57

Local bait shop is a good source, that's where I got my brood fish - took the few dozen largest they had. They are easy to identify - you could always buy one, post photo on forum, and we could help verify species prior to stocking.


Good call, Rah. Probably the simplest route. If you are worried about species ID just tank them and take a few up close photos for us, we can help verify before you stock.

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FWIW, SMB stocked at 4" in a pond with lots of forage in early summer last year are now 10" fish. I should get some pics tomorrow.


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Fish ID?




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Looks like a "creek chub" in my opinion.



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Thought so at first too, but the mouth is wrong. Creek chub have a much more blunt nose and more purple color to them.

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http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/fish_diseases/neascus.html

That's why looking over wild fish carefully is important. If snails aren't present, then the "disease" won't continue. I think disease is a misnomer, it really should be called a parasite I think.


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I don't know if it's a creek chub, but it sure has black spot grubs...likely came from a bow with snails present. Travis or Cody can ID the fish I'll bet.


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Mouth is large. Possible another specie of chub. Definately not a shiner. Travis may recognize it. Container walls may be distorting the mouth shape?


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http://www.indiana.edu/~inbsarc/divfish_files/divfish_lifehistory.html



Semotilus atromaculatus?

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Dang - I threw it in the largemouth pond.

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RAH, where did you catch it?


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It could also be a female Hornyhead chub.

http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/Home/species_...47/Default.aspx




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True, but dorsal fin has black spot on it.


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I noticed that too but since the mouth size has people leaning to other kinds of chubs I thought I would toss it out there, Hornyheads do have a larger mouth and a female chub will be duller in color than a male.

Do we have a chub expert in the house? I know it's NOT me. I still think it is a creek chub, just my opinion of course. grin

Here is a female creek chub.
http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/Home/species_a_to_z/SpeciesGuideIndex/creekchub/tabid/6599/Default.aspx




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Originally Posted By: RAH
Dang - I threw it in the largemouth pond.


Creek chubs make great LMB bait, I wouldn't worry about it. wink



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I think now he's more worried about the black spot than the fish.......


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It is a is very common parasite and likely already present.

http://www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,4570,7-153-10364_52259_10950-27376--,00.html

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A common disease in earthen bottom ponds and lakes, this disease is caused by a parasite (larval trematode) that burrows into the skin of a fish causing the formation of a cyst approximately one millimeter in diameter. This parasite has a complex life cycle that requires fish eating birds or mammals, snails, and fish at different stages in order to survive.

In general, even heavy infestations of these parasites do relatively little damage to the fish. There is some evidence that heavily infested juvenile fish may experience excessive blood loss, physiological stress, and even death. Also, fish with heavy infestations on the eyes may be blinded.


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Control of this parasite is really not necessary as these parasites are incapable of infesting humans and the fish are safe to eat. It may be more aesthetically pleasing to skin a heavily infested fish prior to eating. In any case, cooking kills the parasites.



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I caught the fish in a very small stream where I have previously caught creek chubs (without spots). The spots through me off, but next time I see them. I'll toss the fish in the grass!

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It could easily be a creek chub. A faint - faded basal dorsal spot is present on FAH's pictured fish above. Fish colors and hues easily change or fade on fish depending on conditions. Something that concerns me is the slope and shape of the forehead snout, however it is similar to that in the picture of a female creek chub. I'm not an expert on chubs unless I have it in my hand to check specific features of the different chub species.


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I would say it is a creek chub. Based on where it was caught, there really aren't many options that it could also be.

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Thank you all. I learn something every time I am on this site. Most recent learning: Pretty spots are not a good thing...

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How about some smallie pics???


Excerpt from Robert Crais' "The Monkey's Raincoat:"
"She took another microscopic bite of her sandwich, then pushed it away. Maybe she absorbed nutrients from her surroundings."

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Will the muddy water from all of our recent rain kill GSH if I add them to the pond now? The bait shop finally got them in.

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No, the GSH will be OK.

Now, that's assuming that it's just muddy water and not some other kind of toxic inclusion.


Excerpt from Robert Crais' "The Monkey's Raincoat:"
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