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Those fish are just incredible. All of them.


"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"

If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
PB answer: It depends.
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Just reading along and enjoying..

I'll chime in with more detail later, but in every pond or lake that I've fished that had Northern strain bluegill, and CNBG, I've seen virtually identical Wr's and high-end sizes. Intuitively, this is not what I expected..but it is what I encountered.


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Good glory did Aaron ever figure something out right - I'm beyond amazed and impressed.


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Originally Posted By: kenc
Wish my wife could say that about me.

LOL! smile


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Originally Posted By: ewest
RM has CNBG. It may also have some regular BG. The big ones caught there are CNBG. CNBG and reg BG have the same life span and reproductive ability.


I looked back at my notes I've kept over 14 different fishing days at RM. Dozens of 2-lb bluegill, and 3 over 3 pounds. Almost 50-50 of northern vs. coppernose.


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Actually looking at the 1.5-2.0 lb fish, of which I've caught hundreds (literally), the CNBG outnumber the Northern bluegill almost 5:1

But in the truly massive 2+ pound fish, the standard/northern strain had just as many representatives as the coppers.


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...that's weird. I've never really pondered that. Wonder what it means...


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Obviously I didn't do any DNA testing, but here's the numbers from my Richmond Mill data.

303 bluegill from 1.5-1.99 pounds 250 CNBG and 53 Northern strain
37 bluegill from 2.0-2.99 pounds 19 CNBG and 18 Northern strain
3 bluegill from 3.00 + pounds 2 CNBG and one that was probably northern.

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Maybe Bob can tell us what the heck that means. I'm clueless. I want to say that there's fewer Northern strain overall, but they occupy a very slightly different niche than the CNBG, which could mean that they can exploit some of the abundant natural food sources a little better.


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Originally Posted By: sprkplug
Finally found it. The light border that appears on the fins is what initially got me excited about the possibility that this was a hybrid. But the border wasn't present on the other photos at all. It looked like a northern fish. Sorry about the quality, I could not talk the owner of the other photos into turning loose of them. This is the best one I have. I don't know the status of the fish in this photo...it almost looks like it's mounted on something?

It has such a terrible glare on it in this photo.



I'd like to feature this photo on BBG.com

Can you post it there, please? I'm fascinated by these historical photos.


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Big coppernose.



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Big female and male coppernose bluegill.



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Big male northern strain bluegill. Here's that 32+ ouncer you wanted, Bill. laugh



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Are Northerns and Coppernose stocked at the same rate in Rimchmond?


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Aaron, those are the nicest set of BGs I have ever seen.
Is the dark color come from clear water?
Mine are always lighter color from turbid water and the colors pop out with bright copper color - can you maipulate holding tank to bring out distinguishing CNBG confirmation traits?
I have trouble postively IDing your CNBG - did they come from Overton?
Any documentation on length/width/thickness?
You have set the bar pretty high - good job!
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Originally Posted By: Bruce Condello
Big female and male coppernose bluegill.


Would it be approrpriate for me to ask the source of the original CNBG stocked in Richmond Mill Lake?
Some appear to me to be intergrades?



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Here's what we did to stock Richmond Mill Lake.
Coppernose bluegills from three sources including one from Alabama and two from Arkansas.
Northern strain bluegills from two sources, one in Arkansas and one in Oklahoma.
Redear sunfish from Arkansas.
Some could certainly be intergrades. Some are not. Some are coppernose. Some are northerns. When I electrofish, we always capture some small ones with that telltale bright colored copper tail. As they grow, the colors turn darker for some reason.
The water in Richmond Mill Lake is tannic, rich tea-color and fast flowing. Sunfish in there are always dark.


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Originally Posted By: Bob Lusk
Here's what we did to stock Richmond Mill Lake.
Coppernose bluegills from three sources including one from Alabama and two from Arkansas.
Northern strain bluegills from two sources, one in Arkansas and one in Oklahoma.
Redear sunfish from Arkansas.
Some could certainly be intergrades. Some are not. Some are coppernose. Some are northerns. When I electrofish, we always capture some small ones with that telltale bright colored copper tail. As they grow, the colors turn darker for some reason.
The water in Richmond Mill Lake is tannic, rich tea-color and fast flowing. Sunfish in there are always dark.
Bob, I know that you have trusted sources for your CNBG.
I also know that mixed with northern BG you will get some 1st generation intergrades.
I just don't see the pure grade characteristics of pure Floridaa CNBG that I have examined over the past 8 years of probably thousands of pure CNBG - even with dark color.

I don't thik it make a whit of a difference with the size and quality of those fish you guys have grown..... grin
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Aaron, those are some monsters! I'm jealous!!!!


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Originally Posted By: Bob Lusk
Here's what we did to stock Richmond Mill Lake.
Coppernose bluegills from three sources including one from Alabama and two from Arkansas.
Northern strain bluegills from two sources, one in Arkansas and one in Oklahoma.
Redear sunfish from Arkansas.
Some could certainly be intergrades. Some are not. Some are coppernose. Some are northerns. When I electrofish, we always capture some small ones with that telltale bright colored copper tail. As they grow, the colors turn darker for some reason.
The water in Richmond Mill Lake is tannic, rich tea-color and fast flowing. Sunfish in there are always dark.



Bob,George:

Are the colors typically lighter of the coppernose gills in clear water? I ask this because this thread now has my gears turning.

Now that I have three recirculating system tanks running going on five, I could get my hands on some coppernose from Arkansas as one of my aquaculture directors picks up northern strain bluegills and other species several times a year down there. I'm sure he could pick me up some coppernose.

I still can't produce enough 1 pound and over bluegills to fill the demand for my taxidermy market and the controlled conditions of recirculating tanks are looking better and better. The demand is so great I recently sold a disfigured 1 lb. 7 1/2 ounce fish for $75.00. If it wouldn't have had parasite issues on one of the pectoral fin bases I could have easily asked for $100.00.

Typically when I post fish for sale they are sold out anywhere withing four minutes to that day. Howeveer they frown on dark fish as they don't paint well, which was my first question in this post.

Harvesting fish from tanks would be a breeze too vs. seining a 3/4 acre pond. Not as much fun but...


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Bob and others should be along fairly soon to provide second opinions. CB1 - the water in Richmond Mill is tannin stained and I think fairly dark. I don't know if the concentration of stain has been tested, but someone may have Secchi disk readings?. Fish from dark brown tannin stained water typically have pretty dark hues due to the chromatophores adjusting to match the surroundings. Arron's fish lived in a black liner pond, thus their dark hues. I doubt the darkness of the colors are any different genetically between regular BG or CNBG.

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Cecil CNBG do just like regular BG wrt color and water. They are not the same color but water /light effects them the same way. Here are a couple from typical pond water






















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Thanks Bill and Eric. I know Bob said the same but I just wanted to make sure I understood that. I mounted some Florida Coppernose once that were black as coal. Again perhaps from stained water?


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Ewest, those are some beautiful fish. One of my best friends(deceased) caught 29 one day that weighted 22 lbs.. They looked about like yours.


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Cecil anytime you know someone looking to buy 1lb BG for 100/apiece call me I got plenty too sell smile


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