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Yolk Sac #317375 01/12/13 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted By: Yolk Sac
...some may be more resistant to certain viruses than others.

No doubt about that. Antibody studies show a great many people with
evidence of past infections from West Nile, Mononucleosis, even some tic born diseases such as Erhlichiosis-who were never aware that they had a serious illness, and recouperated completely. They probably had mild symptoms attributed to "some virus"....


And there we go.


"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"

If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
PB answer: It depends.
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There are two ways to get antibodies against the flu 1) get the flu 2) get immunized. The vaccine exposes the body to the antigen without the accompanying virulent strain of the virus. The body reacts by producing antibodies, and it is the body's antibodies (not the vaccine) that protect against the flu. This approach mimics the observed protection that was seen for those that got cow pox and then did not get small pox. The vaccine is man copying a natural phenominon. Lots of medicines were develope this way.

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Interesting discussion by many smart individuals. So refreshing to witness these opinions that are in some cases 180 degrees apart, and yet no one is calling the other a "moron" or worse.
Carry on!!!


Just do it...
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Give us time... Just kidding. This is a refreshing bunch.

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Originally Posted By: rmedgar
Interesting discussion by many smart individuals. So refreshing to witness these opinions that are in some cases 180 degrees apart, and yet no one is calling the other a "moron" or worse.
Carry on!!!


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It's great that we can debate the subject, instead of arguing over it.... it shows the high caliber of the membership. And while I don't think I'm going to come down with the flu, (and I know I'm not going to get the shot! wink ), if I do manage to get sick I will man up, re-open this thread, and admit my human fragility....all those who advocated getting the shot will be entitled to administer a strong dose of "I told you so's,"......and I will defer to their obviously advanced wisdom next year..... blush


"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"

If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
PB answer: It depends.
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Hey has anybody ever heard of a fish called "Georgia Giants"

Sorry guys could not stop myself

John Wann #317422 01/12/13 04:47 PM
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Hey, what's this green stuff in my pond???


Just do it...
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Originally Posted By: sprkplug
It's great that we can debate the subject, instead of arguing over it

I second that...I'm just trying to learn something.

Originally Posted By: sprkplug
If I do manage to get sick I will man up, re-open this thread, and admit my human fragility....all those who advocated getting the shot will be entitled to administer a strong dose of "I told you so's

I wouldn't apologize too much...almost 40% of the people that get the flu have had the flu shot.


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I wouldn't apologize too much...almost 40% of the people that get the flu have had the flu shot. [/quote]

I hadnt seen this statistic, can you give us a citation?


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The flu vaccine provides immunization against the most common strains expected to infect the population. If you are exposed to another strain you are SOL.

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Originally Posted By: Bing
I hadnt seen this statistic, can you give us a citation?




Had a flu shot? You'll be OK -- maybe
By CNN Staff

Fri January 11, 2013

"The vaccine isn't a guarantee that you'll be flu-free. In fact, it's about 62% effective, said the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Dr. Thomas Frieden, on Friday"

CNN Health - Friday Jan 11, 2013


ps: The link below pretty well sums up my current feelings on the flu shot,
but I am still open-minded about it and willing to learn. By the way the
title is somewhat mis-leading because I think Dr. Helmenstine agrees it
does work sometimes.

Why the Flu Vaccine Doesn't Work - Anne Marie Helmenstine, Ph.D.,


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Well I really dont want to argue this into infinity, but I dont know that the fact that almost 40% of the people that get the flu have had the flu shot. It is 62 percent effective but does that mean that 28 percent of the folks who get the vaccination get the flu


BTW, my computer keyboard is really screwed up. I cannot use the hyphen, right brackets, the letter p takes three or four tries to et it right. No question marks, etc. When I try to type p it comes out like poiurewq. Capital p and you might as well shut it down.



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Bing, that's why I like desktops. Pieces are easily changed out when they go bad, not like laptops.


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Originally Posted By: RAH
Lots of misinformation. Poison ivy is an allergy not a disease. Allergy is a non-productive over-reaction of the immune system, not the lack of sufficient immunity to overcome an invading virus.


I'm aware of that being one semester shy of becoming an RN. I was just responding to the the poison ivy post.


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Esshup If you google poiuytrewq, which is the top row of keys starting from the right, it has a fix for the problem but it doesnt work for me. Mine is a Lenovo and it seems to have the issue more than others.


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Originally Posted By: Bing



BTW, my computer keyboard is really screwed up. I cannot use the hyphen, right brackets, the letter p takes three or four tries to et it right. No question marks, etc. When I try to type p it comes out like poiurewq. Capital p and you might as well shut it down.



That happened to me after I spilled pop on my last keyboard. grin The problem I have now is the lettering is rubbing off!


If pigs could fly bacon would be harder to come by and there would be a lot of damaged trees.






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Originally Posted By: Cecil Baird1
I'm aware of that being one semester shy of becoming an RN.


Are you currently pursuing an RN?


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Originally Posted By: Bing
Well I really dont want to argue this into infinity, but I dont know that the fact that almost 40% of the people that get the flu have had the flu shot. It is 62 percent effective but does that mean that 28 percent of the folks who get the vaccination get the flu


Bing it would 38% not 28%...correct?

I would think if the flu vaccine is "62% effective",
that would mean it is 38% (almost 40%) ineffective and
for it to be "ineffective" people that took the shot would have
got the flu. What other definition of a flu shot not being effective
could there be?


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28 not 38, just poiurewqroves my keyboard is screwed upoiurewq. What isnt clear to me from that is that the 38 percent who got the shot and the shot was ineffective got the flu. perhaps so, but they could have had ineffective virus but were not exposed to the virus and therefore did not get it. I think you could prove the virus was 38 percent ineffective without the haveing 38 percent getting sick. As I said, not trying to beat a dead horse but there is just so much evidence that it works much better than doing nothing. Remember we still have freedom of choice.


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The other 10% were smokers and ate bad sushi.......still waiting for test results to see if they actually had the flu.................

Post-mortem autopsy reports still not in yet.....stay tuned.



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Originally Posted By: Bing
Remember we still have freedom of choice.

Agreed Bing...God Bless the USA!



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Originally Posted By: catmandoo
Originally Posted By: Cecil Baird1
I'm aware of that being one semester shy of becoming an RN.


Are you currently pursuing an RN?


No, that was back in my younger days. I have all the respect in the world for nurses but it wasn't my cup of tea. I found hospitals boring and nursing homes depressing when I did my clinicals. I was also getting busier and busier with my taxidermy and decided I'd rather be self employed.


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Originally Posted By: catmandoo
Are you currently pursuing an RN?

Obviously not, best I recall Cecil is a happily married man.

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Originally Posted By: BC
Pond Boss at it's very best---but still gotta be careful.

This is a site where guys who wear pink hats get to be moderators.

You think we're going to get hostile over a little thing like flu shots?

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