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Well I didn't really think about this too much but if your squeezing a hydrated pellet you'd be squeezing out the added moisture which had taken the place of air..


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I'm in Cody's camp on this one!


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Originally Posted By: esshup
I'm in Cody's camp on this one!


YEP!

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Originally Posted By: Cecil Baird1
Originally Posted By: Bill Cody
CB1 - If your wife doesn't pick on you IMO she should once in awhile so you wouldn't be so contankerous here - LOL LOL.


Not being "contankerous" [sic] Bill. I'm sorry it appeared that way. blush I would have just P.M'd you my thoughts but ya don't read the P.M's very often! grin And I think this is something that would be interesting to debate.

Originally Posted By: Bill Cody
Yes I know your comments were for discussion. If you notice closely when one rolls or pinches the pellets, they get very slighly smaller.



Yes, which makes them denser! grin You're increasing the mass per volume by squeezing it. You can easily take something that has a specific gravity lower than water, and by compressing it enough you can make it have a higher specific gravity than water, therefore you can make it sink.

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I assmue that compaction process has to squeeze out something and it is likely very small amount of air.


Perhaps but my opinion is making the pellet denser has more of an effect.

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What else would it be if the pellet or anything else is compacted?


See above response.

Originally Posted By: Bill Cody
Do you think the pellets absorb a tiny amount of air as they swell when they are soaking??


My WAG would be some but not a significant amount as oxygen/air would only be in ppm's in water at the most.






LMAO...What, if not air, is between the atomic mass composition in a stinkin fish pellet??? Is it plasma, miniature space aliens in tinfoil hats...perhaps it is trapped macrophyte farts??...


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I am going with trapped macrophyte farts personally...

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Originally Posted By: esshup
I'm in Cody's camp on this one!


You butt kisser! grin

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Originally Posted By: JKB
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I'm in Cody's camp on this one!


YEP!


Butt kisser number 2! grin


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Originally Posted By: Rainman
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CB1 - If your wife doesn't pick on you IMO she should once in awhile so you wouldn't be so contankerous here - LOL LOL.


Not being "contankerous" [sic] Bill. I'm sorry it appeared that way. blush I would have just P.M'd you my thoughts but ya don't read the P.M's very often! grin And I think this is something that would be interesting to debate.

Originally Posted By: Bill Cody
Yes I know your comments were for discussion. If you notice closely when one rolls or pinches the pellets, they get very slighly smaller.



Yes, which makes them denser! grin You're increasing the mass per volume by squeezing it. You can easily take something that has a specific gravity lower than water, and by compressing it enough you can make it have a higher specific gravity than water, therefore you can make it sink.

Originally Posted By: Bill Cody
I assmue that compaction process has to squeeze out something and it is likely very small amount of air.


Perhaps but my opinion is making the pellet denser has more of an effect.

Originally Posted By: Bill Cody
What else would it be if the pellet or anything else is compacted?


See above response.

Originally Posted By: Bill Cody
Do you think the pellets absorb a tiny amount of air as they swell when they are soaking??


My WAG would be some but not a significant amount as oxygen/air would only be in ppm's in water at the most.






LMAO...What, if not air, is between the atomic mass composition in a stinkin fish pellet??? Is it plasma, miniature space aliens in tinfoil hats...perhaps it is trapped macrophyte farts??...


laugh laugh laugh


Don't apply for any grad student positions soon Rex. wink


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Originally Posted By: CJBS2003
I am going with trapped macrophyte farts personally...


Deep science here folks. Deeeeeeeep! smirk


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Originally Posted By: Cecil Baird1
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I'm in Cody's camp on this one!


You butt kisser! grin


There's no arguing with someone who's right!

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Some will argue a point even if they are not correct. I've done that. Botany tells me macrophyte farts probably contain oxygen and not methane.

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Originally Posted By: Bill Cody
Some will argue a point even if they are not correct. I've done that.


And you're doing it again! grin Just because you have folks that agree with you doesn't make it right. There were plenty of people that agreed the earth was flat once too! wink

There needs to be a scientific experiment to settle this!

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Originally Posted By: Cecil Baird1
There were plenty of people that agreed the earth was flat once too! wink

There needs to be a scientific experiment to settle this!


Cecil I do not think we a scientific experiment to settle this, I have been up in an airplane and the earth was definitely curved.


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Question to be answered for experiment along with basic parameters...considering the total solid mass shall remain unchanged when "pinching to compact" increases the "density" of a Macrophytes fart laden pellet, what must be displaced that would cause reduced buoyancy in the tested pellet?....for the purposes of reducing the cabin fever induced insanity in this thread, all gasses discovered shall be called "air".



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Wow biggest hijack I have witnessed on PB smile


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Yes - I never thought I would be a part of hijacking a PB topic. Russ - sorry for the diversion and rant that CB1 and I created. I guess "It all depends". I doubt that this will qualify for the "Archives" section - ROTFLOL.
I found the close up picture of some AM600 pellets. I need to find someone who will post it as evidence for my position.

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Originally Posted By: Bill Cody
ROTFLOL.
I found the close up picture of some AM600 pellets. I need to find someone who will post it as evidence for my position.


And...the hijack continues....I'm sorry also Russ!!



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Bill:

Send me the pics and I'll post them. I'm not afraid of Cecil! wink grin


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Originally Posted By: Cecil Baird1
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I'm in Cody's camp on this one!


YEP!


Butt kisser number 2! grin


I also like my corn flakes soggy, once the AIR is displaced by the milk laugh grin

What's your take on popcorn?

I'll give you those noodles that expand a hundred times or so when you toss them in oil. That's a different state of matter altogether laugh

What's up with puffed rice any way?

It's in the manufacturing process. If I use steam to expand something (heat water, it expands, cool, it contracts), and use binders to keep it in form for the amount of expansion I want, then vaporize said moisture to levels I want, without changing expanded size, there will be nothing but air in the void's where there once was liquid.

Clear as mud, eh! wink

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Originally Posted By: Bill Cody
Yes - I never thought I would be a part of hijacking a PB topic. Russ - sorry for the diversion and rant that CB1 and I created. I guess "It all depends". I doubt that this will qualify for the "Archives" section - ROTFLOL.
I found the close up picture of some AM600 pellets. I need to find someone who will post it as evidence for my position.


Sorry Russ. blush I don't know why Bill had to make big federal case out of this. grin

So a thread hijack is uncommon on this site. Really? grin


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Originally Posted By: esshup
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Are you kidding me Bill?

You post pictures of sausage patties and expect me to capitulate?

Huh? laugh


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I thought they were meatballs.




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This getting really good. Anybody want to place odds on Cecil vs. Cody -- or vice versa?

As a long time member of Pond Boss, and as a moderator, I'd usually intervene to stop this.

But, I consider both Cecil and Bill as really good, and equal, friends. Cecile and Cody are also good friends. This may be the best PB discussion between good friends that we've ever had.

Now, as for the best breakfast sausage patties without air pockets, I think we need a cookoff. We could do it at my place, where we've done a few good Pond Boss cookings. Maybe Sunil would host us at his pond -- where we've had some similar cookings there (we just didn't get to serve the snapping turtle being preserved in Sunil's outhouse!)

This is serious. We need some solid evidence.

We need to do it during good weather so that Rex (Rainman) doesn't need multiple monster-size wreckers and a big industrial helicopter to get him back to the main road.

Go for the finish!


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Things in that picture do look like meat patties. I can'f fool you guys. That is probably why the fish like them so well. The ones on the bottom look as if they have a glaze on them which is maybe stuff they spray on the pellets after they are extruded. I've read that manufacturers will spray heat sensitive oils and vitamins on the pellets after they come out of the extruder. Not sure if Purina does this to the AM pellets.

Now to put this discussion to rest, I received this from Bob Wucher at Purina Mills, District Manager, Livestock & Pet Specialist, who attended the PBoss V conference: ""They are filled with air but are not air tight so water will be absorbed into the pellet over time. As the water displaces the air they do become less buoyant and start to sink. Hope this helps."" Thanks a lot Bob, it did help my argument in the discussion. I hope my friend Cecil is not mad at me for winning this debate. cry grin


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