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My ponds have an abundance of BF and LF tadpoles - and by abudance I mean literally thousands - and despite my predator heavy fishery I see no impacts on their populations nor have I ever witnessed a tadpole being hammered. My theory is that these tadpoles must possess some kind of taste that fish find disagreeable otherwise how could they swim so slowly and in wide open water with such impunity?
Bear in mind my fisheries lack LMB as species, but for HSB, YP, BG, RES, and SMB I have found that tadpoles are not preferred forage, if they are targeted at all.
I have tried to test this theory by tossing LF tadpoles into a pellet feeding frenzy and while they were initially swallowed by SMB and HSB they were soon regurgitated.
I have also seen tanks of BG and SMB overwintered back at Condello's place with LF and BF tadpoles, PK Shrimp and FHM. After a month all the FHM, shrimp and all but the biggest BG were gone. The tadpoles seemed untouched.
It stands to reason an otherwise apparently defenseless, slow swimming organism like a tadpole must have some kind of unseen deterrent enabling it to escape predation or they would have become extinct long ago.
Anyone else witnessed this reluctance to prey on tadpoles? Can someone enlighten us on whether tadpoles possess some kind of enzyme that makes them distasteful? I do surmise once tadpoles become toads or frogs they must lose this defense mechanism as frogs are definitely a preferred forage item for SMB and LMB.
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My experience is that predators decimate tadpole populations.
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TJ. I'm glad you brought this up.I've been thinking about this also.I have a small pond with no fish...and thousands of tadpoles.But no signs of turtles or any other natural predator. My main pond with CC, BG, and GSF(and now YP and WE).... many tadpoles but not like the other fishless pond. I also have a pond with mostly CC, and thousands of fingerlings, and many adult sized CC, I never see any tadpoles, or even frogs for that matter congregating the waters edge. The CC pond is void of vegetation, in the water and at the waters edge. The CC pond is highly turbid, and any sunfish caught from there look almost albino.
I have read and heard that many frogs, including the bullfrog, in their skin produces a toxin, that a predator will find disgusting and not eat the frog.I witnessed a guy a lot of years ago, trying to impress small children who had caught a bullfrog,he pretended to eat the frog, and put it in his mouth, and soon he was frothing like he was rabid.I have had people tell me that Leopard frogs were wonderful bait, but have never had even a bite while trying them. I have never cleaned any kind of fish that had anything resembling a frog or tadpole in their stomach.
I am personally skeptical about the truth of fish eating frogs or their tadpoles.But being from the "show-me-state", I have to see it to believe it.
I do know that large bullfrogs eat nice size BG. I helped my dad years ago clean bullfrogs. Their stomachs contained BG, and larger than you would think.I personally use them for target practice anymore.
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TJ, last summer when we had an abundance of leopard frog tadpoles in our pond-in-the-works my son and his friends insisted on bringing a lot home with them. I'm talking probably around 2000 of these little guys. I have a 150 gallon aquarium that I have LMB, BH, CC, gar, etc. in. Each species in the tank LOVED eating those tadpoles. Not sure if that's the same scenario you're looking for, but in my experience, in a very captive environment, they slurped up the tadpoles and couldn't get enough. Not sure what to think of your experience except that maybe you've spoiled your babies.
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Frogs (adults and tadpoles) are some of the best big bass and catfish bait I have ever used. If I can catch one while fishing, it goes on the line immediately.
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I don't think anyone disagrees that frogs are obviously a great LMB, SMB, and catfish bait. See the 6 pages of Cabelas or BPS dedicated to frog topwaters and plastics ad it's obvious. I caught my personal best 29# CC on a sand toad, in fact.
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TJ:
I have seen 100's of thousands of toad tadpoles in my pond, and their numbers are decimated by the fish. I've also tried stocking BF in my pond, via tadpoles. I had 2-3 make it to adulthood, but they soon disappeared.
Without sufficient cover to hide in, I think they all become food for the fish.
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Tallying a common theme for replies where tadpoles are preferred forage - existence of CC and/or LMB. Still trying understand my experiences where they are rejected as forage as I've witnessed it multiple times. It may have a lot to do with the fact both CC and LMB are like vacuums and consume any ready meal they come across. If my fish were using tadpoles as forage I would think their populations would be noticably impacted and subsequently my fish would have WR of 200! Neither is happening...I'll keep experimenting and logging results.
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Someone just emailed me this guy's post on another forum who also was able to witness tadpoles in aquarium setting [Springfield BPS]. When there's nothing else, maybe tadpoles are consumed, but in my experience they are not a preferred forage item. I'll keep looking.
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I think that tadpoles are a last choice food item. The reason I say this is, I was doing some seminars at Bass Pro in Springfield about 3 years ago. The seminars were downstairs by the large tanks. The fish were fed during my seminar. Mixed in with the minnows were a few tadpoles. Every time one of the larger fish would eat a tadpole, it would immediately spit it back out. The tadpoles died from all the rough treatment and sank to the bottom of the tank. I noticed there were several others on the bottom of the tank from previous feeding sessions. I see lots of tadpoles in my rivers also but few crawfish. I guess the fish like the crawfish better.
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It may be that tadpoles are not as tasty as minnows. If both were sitting on the table, would you prefer Fillet Mingon or Butt Steak?
Now, would you not eat Butt Steak if that was the only thing on the table?
Or, would you run 1/2 mile to eat fillet vs. just sitting down to a dinner of butt steak?
I've seen smaller LMB almost end up on the bank after chasing after some of the tadpoles that were in very shallow water.
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This topic reminded me of a conversation I had with a Nebraska biologist about this very subject. Here's what he said.
"I ain't saying that fish will not eat them, but I don't think they like them very much."
Shorty also chimed in.
"Certain types of tadpoles DO leave a bad taste in a fishes mouth and fish DO learn to avoid certain types of tadpoles. If you are going to use tadpoles for bait you need to be selective."
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I find it interesting when reviewing tackle catalogs to note there are hundreds of minnow patterns, dozens of frog imitations, and only a few tadpole patterns. That sheds some light about tadpoles role in forage base.
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I Do know that toad tadpoles tastes just as bad as toads to animals. I have had frogs and frog tadpoles readily eaten in ponds and during fishing. I have attempted to feed toad tadpoles and the just spit them out. Perhaps the tadpoles you have are from toads and not frogs?
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Sounds like the wine tasting event at the next PondBoss convention needs to be replaced with a tadpole blind taste test....
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I have literally thousands of tadpoles and baby frogs/toads every year. The bass boil the water as we walk down the bank and they jump in.
I'm not sure if they're preferred, but apparently they are filling.
I'll be trying some of the new smaller top water frogs this year and find out.
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Bullfrog tadpoles are what dominate my ponds. I see fewer of the leopard frog tadpoles. The only thing that seems to like my bf tadpoles are coons and crayfish.
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Bobby, in my pond they are toad tadpoles. I see the toads in the water, and the tadpoles are black, not brown.
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Fish generally will not touch toad tadpoles in my experience. I have tried over and over again to fed them they eat them but spit them out. Perhaps you have a mixture of tadpoles or your fish are accustomed to them, I have failed trying to use them as food for fish though.....The toad tadpoles mature relatively quickly depending on water temps of course. They are outstanding eaters and will clean up algae and detritus all around the pond. You will soon see loads of miniature black baby toads leaving the water. they get in my red claw pond and don’t get bothered. It is inside my fence line and the newly formed toads end up bunched up in large groups in the corners of the wooden privacy fence.
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In early spring a few years ago we noticed frogs surfacing in our pond for a brief touch and go and then apparently were going back down to the bottom. That afternoon we caught CC that were full of intact 4-5" frogs. One had 4 frogs in its belly. The warts of toads are a bad tasting defense mechanism. makes sense that fish would eat frogs and not toads.
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They are outstanding eaters and will clean up algae and detritus all around the pond. I had thousands of tadpoles last year and no large predators to thin them down because of a fish kill. My pond was algae free until most of the tadpoles became frogs. I'm looking forward to seeing what happens this year.
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Adult frogs and toads will exude toxins of the things they eat as defense, so it makes sense that what the tadpoles eat may be similar. Perhaps some types of vegetative materials will help them produce materials that the fish hate, for example tasting just like a plant.
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I've got a new pond in the process of filling that has millions of tadpoles in it right now, mostly toads. The only fish in there are 500 1" BG and 3 lbs of minnows so nothing big enough to really eat them even if they wanted to. But today I saw a pair of spotted sand pipers (I had to look that one up in the bird book!) gorging themselves on tadpoles with no regard to toad or not. Some species of tadpole are getting pretty big and it was interesting to watch them with binoculars shake the life out of the bigger ones before sucking them down.
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Interesting things you get to see when you own a pond! Tell us more about you and your pond Jimmi... Welcome to Pond Boss!
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I do not know the difference between my tadpoles but tonight when I was out fishing the pond with a small black fly I noticed fish boiling next to a large swarm of small jet black tadpoles. I tossed the small black fly in and began catching a bunch of small long ears and small hybrid bluegills. I did see several of the yoy fish eat the tadpoles.
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Hey Ozark, It sounds like my tadpoles may be getting a free ride this year - as long as they can keep growing faster than the BG I put in there! Glad to hear your tadpoles seem to be being converted into something useful...fish!
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If they're small and black they're probably toad tadpoles.
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Hey Jimmi where in mo you located??
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I got toads..... What do the others look like. Do we have a tadpole id chart anywhere?
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UPDATE:
Bob Lusk, Bruce and Chris spent some time at my pond couple weeks back after the NE Pond Boss Conference, and Bob remarked he couldn't believe how many tadpoles I had. I told him my fish won't apparently touch them, and they run rampant. He said:
"Of course not - bullfrog tadpoles excrete a pheromone that makes them distasteful to fish. It's only after they reach adult stage, as a frog, that fish will target them."
There you have it - helps explain the high population of BF tadpoles in my ponds.
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There you have it - helps explain the high population of BF tadpoles in my ponds.
Well that and the fact that Bruce Condello keeps putting BF tadpoles in your ponds.
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There you have it - helps explain the high population of BF tadpoles in my ponds.
Well that and the fact that Bruce Condello keeps putting BF tadpoles in your ponds.
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Bob also said these sell for $.50/ea and that's just wholesale pricing - says he gets dozens of requests annually, and now he has a source.
So, laugh it up JHAP while you're reviewing my BF Tadpole balance sheet next April!
And Josh, welcome aboard. You are now my Director of Product Distribution for Hudland Hatchery. You will be paid in pondweed...
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Yesssss! I will get business cards made up immediately.
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Josh, you can probably re-invest that pondweed in the forage ponds, and let the 401K grow.....
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You are on to something Scott. I think I can comfortably retire in 10 years with a solid pondweed investment.
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Whoa now! Who mentioned anything about benefits?
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well, you guys... you wouldn't believe what we've gone thru to get bullfrog tadpoles. We can't bring them in across state lines. So, we go scoping out local ponds to harvest some. Impossible. Even the state hatchery guys tell us that BF are pretty scarse where they are (and we hear that all over the state). So "another person's trash is another person's treasure"... "target practice".... I heard that. terrible Shame on you! Wonder if you could send me some for Christmas or something! SAVE THE BULLFROGS!!! ";)
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Whoa now! Who mentioned anything about benefits? Should've read the fine print. Damn.
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well, you guys... you wouldn't believe what we've gone thru to get bullfrog tadpoles. We can't bring them in across state lines. So, we go scoping out local ponds to harvest some. Impossible. Even the state hatchery guys tell us that BF are pretty scarse where they are (and we hear that all over the state). So "another person's trash is another person's treasure"... "target practice".... I heard that. terrible Shame on you! Wonder if you could send me some for Christmas or something! SAVE THE BULLFROGS!!! ";) That's pretty wild how different waters can be across the states. Every seine literally had thousands of tadpoles. My son's right there with you Stacy. When he was helping us he tried to save as many as he could, as impossible a task as that was. So, understanding that most fish will not utilize BF tadpoles as forage, can this be considered a bad thing? I mean, they eventually sprout legs, at which time they likely become food, so they're eaten, just not immediately.
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This topic reminded me of a conversation I had with a Nebraska biologist about this very subject. Here's what he said.
"I ain't saying that fish will not eat them, but I don't think they like them very much."
Shorty also chimed in.
"Certain types of tadpoles DO leave a bad taste in a fishes mouth and fish DO learn to avoid certain types of tadpoles. If you are going to use tadpoles for bait you need to be selective." Tadpoles have been low on my bait list for a long time. Back in college I ran across a scientific study about largemouth learning to avoid certain types of tadpoles while doing research for a term paper. I had a large tadpole hatch in my pond a few weeks ago. As a test I tossed one of the small black tads in my RAS system and the SMB took turns sucking in the tad and spitting it out, the tad died but was never eaten. I think these are western chorus frog tadpoles or gray tree frog tadpoles, that is what I heard "calling" before they hatched. They could also be a Bufo Woodhousi (toad) tadpoles since they are small and black and I have heard a few of those calling too but not many. Too bad, I have 10,000 plus of them in the pond right now and the fish won't eat them.
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This "BF tadpoles taste bad" theory must be put to scientific test.
Omaha I now charge you with the task of proving or disproving this theory. Here is my suggestion...
Catch a BF Tadpole. Catch a Leopard Frog Tadpole. Obtain a Lemon-Lime Tootsie Pop. Capture TJ (unharmed if at all possible).
Blind fold TJ (he probably still is blindfolded after you captured him so that is rather convenient).
While blind folded force TJ to taste a Leopard Frog tadpole and observe (or better yet film his reaction).
Then give TJ a taste of the Tootsie pop (I chose Lemon-Lime flavored because no one really likes a Lemon-Lime Tootsie Pop anyway) and observe his reaction.
Then force TJ to taste a BF Tadpole and observe his reaction.
If TJ's reaction is markedly different between the Leopard Frog Tadpole, the BF tadpole and the Lemon-Lime Tootsie Pop then we will have our answer.
Release TJ, give him the Tootsie Pop and report your findings.
Photos and video would be much appreciated.
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well, you guys... you wouldn't believe what we've gone thru to get bullfrog tadpoles. We can't bring them in across state lines. So, we go scoping out local ponds to harvest some. Impossible. Even the state hatchery guys tell us that BF are pretty scarse where they are (and we hear that all over the state). So "another person's trash is another person's treasure"... "target practice".... I heard that. terrible Shame on you! Wonder if you could send me some for Christmas or something! SAVE THE BULLFROGS!!! ";) That's pretty wild how different waters can be across the states. Every seine literally had thousands of tadpoles. My son's right there with you Stacy. When he was helping us he tried to save as many as he could, as impossible a task as that was. So, understanding that most fish will not utilize BF tadpoles as forage, can this be considered a bad thing? I mean, they eventually sprout legs, at which time they likely become food, so they're eaten, just not immediately. Depends on one's fishery whether the frogs will be utilized as forage. Leopard frogs don't last long in my SMB/HSB fishery, but BF are so large they are safe. Stands to reason if adult BF are large enough to escape predation that the cycle will continue indefinitely. It's not a bad thing, in fact, I think BF tadpoles help eat FA, just saying the cycle won't likely be broken, and that it's a shame my fish won't use them as forage due to their abundance. I don't think LMB or CC ponds have this issue...any frog regardless of size is likely an easy meal.
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This "BF tadpoles taste bad" theory must be put to scientific test.
Omaha I now charge you with the task of proving or disproving this theory. Here is my suggestion...
Catch a BF Tadpole. Catch a Leopard Frog Tadpole. Obtain a Lemon-Lime Tootsie Pop. Capture TJ (unharmed if at all possible).
Blind fold TJ (he probably still is blindfolded after you captured him so that is rather convenient).
While blind folded force TJ to taste a Leopard Frog tadpole and observe (or better yet film his reaction).
Then give TJ a taste of the Tootsie pop (I chose Lemon-Lime flavored because no one really likes a Lemon-Lime Tootsie Pop anyway) and observe his reaction.
Then force TJ to taste a BF Tadpole and observe his reaction.
If TJ's reaction is markedly different between the Leopard Frog Tadpole, the BF tadpole and the Lemon-Lime Tootsie Pop then we will have our answer.
Release TJ, give him the Tootsie Pop and report your findings.
Photos and video would be much appreciated. I have no idea where to locate Lemon-Lime Tootsie Pops, so this could be a problem. Also, I do have access to a solid catch-pole to make this safer for both of us. Just to give you that reassurance.
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This "BF tadpoles taste bad" theory must be put to scientific test.
Omaha I now charge you with the task of proving or disproving this theory. Here is my suggestion...
Catch a BF Tadpole. Catch a Leopard Frog Tadpole. Obtain a Lemon-Lime Tootsie Pop. Capture TJ (unharmed if at all possible).
Blind fold TJ (he probably still is blindfolded after you captured him so that is rather convenient).
While blind folded force TJ to taste a Leopard Frog tadpole and observe (or better yet film his reaction).
Then give TJ a taste of the Tootsie pop (I chose Lemon-Lime flavored because no one really likes a Lemon-Lime Tootsie Pop anyway) and observe his reaction.
Then force TJ to taste a BF Tadpole and observe his reaction.
If TJ's reaction is markedly different between the Leopard Frog Tadpole, the BF tadpole and the Lemon-Lime Tootsie Pop then we will have our answer.
Release TJ, give him the Tootsie Pop and report your findings.
Photos and video would be much appreciated. This sounds good, but you forgot the last step: After releasing TJ run like Hell!
Many men go fishing all of their lives without knowing that it is not fish they are after. ~ Henry David Thoreau
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Please you tube this experiment Omaha! You know, could use an extra set of hands. We could play paper/rock/scissors to determine who gets to hold the camera and who gets to hold the TJ. After releasing TJ run like Hell! And leave the truck running Shorty.
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I have no idea where to locate Lemon-Lime Tootsie Pops, so this could be a problem. Simple. Ask Catmandoo. If it's disgusting and it's edible he'll know where to find it. No offense Ken.
JHAP ~~~~~~~~~~ "My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives." ...Hedley Lamarr (that's Hedley not Hedy)
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This sounds good, but you forgot the last step:
After releasing TJ run like Hell!
I certainly did not forget this step. I just assumed that the ensuing melee would make the video more exciting and thereby grant the video instant "viral" status. Sort of a two birds with one stone approach.
JHAP ~~~~~~~~~~ "My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives." ...Hedley Lamarr (that's Hedley not Hedy)
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You know, could use an extra set of hands. We could play paper/rock/scissors to determine who gets to hold the camera and who gets to hold the TJ.
And leave the truck running Shorty. Omaha, you are on your own running this blind taste test experiment, I still owe TJ a favor! (You can thank me later TJ.) I suppose I could run the camera and leave the truck running.
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I suppose I could run the camera and leave the truck running. That's all I ask.
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We had those once in ground surrounding my Dad's pond. Hundreds and hundreds of them. I would catch a handful and toss them into the water and it was a feeding frenzy. The BG's and HBG's whacked'em as fast as I tossed them in. Good luck and good fishing, Dan
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My pond has billions of toad tadpoles and I kept telling my parents that the yellow perch and smallmouth will destroy them when we stock them next year. I guess I lied. I wish something would eat them, there are tons of them!
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I have no idea where to locate Lemon-Lime Tootsie Pops, so this could be a problem. Also, I do have access to a solid catch-pole to make this safer for both of us. Just to give you that reassurance. No excuses now! lemon lime tootsie pops
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We are set! I'll be hiding in the bushes. Hope he shows up soon....
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You gotta bait the trap, then set it......... Party at Omaha's house!! There, he should be along shortly.
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There's a party at my house while I'm sitting here in the bushes at TJ's place? Dammit!
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That's why you haven't caught him, he's at your place!
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This is very poor planning. At this rate, we'll never know which tadpole tastes better.
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Jeez this operation is unraveling faster than a Secret Service trip to Columbia.
JHAP ~~~~~~~~~~ "My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives." ...Hedley Lamarr (that's Hedley not Hedy)
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Once again, JHAP shows off his exceptional hijacking skills.
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Shorty, I've been out here hiding in the bushes since Tuesday. My food rations ran out long ago so those tadpoles look tasty. Getting tired of eating wipers and smallies. Also, TJ really needs to mow out here.
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If you stay out there long enough the grass will start to look tasty too and he won't have to mow. You might want to try hiding in the bushes in front of his house.
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I'm not a stalker Scott. Sheesh.
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I just saw a wood duck. Going to take it down for dinner.
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